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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1541 Postby spencer817 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:04 am

bubba hotep wrote:For those still looking for some small iota of hope, there are 4 SREF members that have over 2" of snow at DFW. The mean is 0.64 with nearly 20 members showing no snow at all.



Many GEFS still have at least a trace as well.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1542 Postby bubba hotep » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:11 am

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TexasF6 wrote:Anyone have a source region for the air? US Snow cover is ok, but I look for moderating to be an issue with temps unless the source is a good one!


The cold air originated in Siberia and near Greenland A sprawling 1050mb High over Eastern Russia and Eastern Europe is assisting with shuffling the cold air across the North Pole into Canada. A strong shortwave upper trough is currently diving S over the Yukon Territories that will send a 1040mb+ Artic High into Colorado Monday. That High may build to near 1050mb Monday into Tuesday. It actually a function of perturbed Polar Vortex event that happened about a week ago. Interestingly the long range 10mb models suggest and perturbed round of that Polar Vortex may occur around Thanksgiving that may lead to another strong shot of Artic Air in early to mid December. Time will tell.


I posted a bit ago that my winter thinking was that December would carry the greatest warm risk out of DJF. However, a disrupted Polar Vortex could total change that by unleashing a big cold dump.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1543 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:13 am

To reiterate Srain's post, took a look at the ensembles. We're going to see some moderation just before Thanksgiving (Texas is not as warm as areas to the north and may sneak out normal or slightly below normal). Then the pattern is reshuffled and cold air builds into Western Canada. A deep southwest trough will usher in big storms into California and the southwest undercutting through Texas. Then heights rise in the Aleutians and Alaska bringing in renewed -EPO. This should set stage for a big cold snap into the Western and Central US early December. Heights also rise in Eastern Canada.

We may whiff this early round but there is much more to come.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1544 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:16 am

bubba hotep wrote:I posted a bit ago that my winter thinking was that December would carry the greatest warm risk out of DJF. However, a disrupted Polar Vortex could total change that by unleashing a big cold dump.


A warm December is good Nino climo. I'd make the argument the very warm NE Pacific is going to muddle that traditional logic. 500mb heights have averaged much above the past 90 days over that region. In a normal Nino state you'll see a very cold Aleutians->GOA.

So instead of a warm W-Canada the opposite is going to happen with a very cold region.

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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1545 Postby Ralph's Weather » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:28 am

Ntxw wrote:
bubba hotep wrote:I posted a bit ago that my winter thinking was that December would carry the greatest warm risk out of DJF. However, a disrupted Polar Vortex could total change that by unleashing a big cold dump.


A warm December is good Nino climo. I'd make the argument the very warm NE Pacific is going to muddle that traditional logic. 500mb heights have averaged much above the past 90 days over that region. In a normal Nino state you'll see a very cold Aleutians->GOA.

So instead of a warm W-Canada the opposite is going to happen with a very cold region.

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This is a great set up for snow lovers. Should be a winter with plenty of moisture and plenty of cold at all levels. Texas could well be in a sweet spot for above average snow anomalies this winter. Who knows if this storm pans out but what is borderline in November will be a big event during winter.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1546 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:53 am

Made it down to 27 here.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1547 Postby spencer817 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:53 am

12z GFS a good trend, shows the snow over DFW rather than NW then lifting.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1548 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:22 am

12z GFS sends another cold front, cool air mass late next week. Prior runs it largely missed to the east and northeast. There has been a bias so far of models trying too much to shunt air masses to the east in the longer range than verification and adjusting west in the short and medium range.

It's been very bad.

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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1549 Postby bubba hotep » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:37 am

The 12z GFS might justify shifting the rain/snow mix a bit SE but have to wait and see what the Euro says. The 12z GFS lingers precipitation longer than the 3K NAM but the NAM is a bit colder.

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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1550 Postby Ntxw » Sat Nov 10, 2018 11:42 am

Also lost in all the snow talk, DFW may pick up another 1-1.5" of rain. 51.17" so far for the year. We are inching closer to the #2 wettest year slot from 1991.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1551 Postby TheProfessor » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:53 pm

Looks like models are backing away from a really awesome 4-6" November storm for me and are settling in on what would still be a nice 1-3" Although I won't count out anything till the system passes. Just gotta hope the NAM is wrong since it gives me nothing :lol:
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1552 Postby Cerlin » Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:54 pm

Models are trending farther and farther away from DFW snow. 18z NAM (12k) has virtually nothing for DFW.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1553 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:32 pm

Cerlin wrote:Models are trending farther and farther away from DFW snow. 18z NAM (12k) has virtually nothing for DFW.


How shocking
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1554 Postby Cerlin » Sat Nov 10, 2018 6:02 pm

Brent wrote:
Cerlin wrote:Models are trending farther and farther away from DFW snow. 18z NAM (12k) has virtually nothing for DFW.


How shocking

18z GFS follows suit and precip dissipates sooner.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1555 Postby Ralph's Weather » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:13 pm

Cerlin wrote:Models are trending farther and farther away from DFW snow. 18z NAM (12k) has virtually nothing for DFW.

At this point have to hope for the STJ to supply some additional moisture that the models are missing.
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1556 Postby Brent » Sat Nov 10, 2018 8:24 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:
Cerlin wrote:Models are trending farther and farther away from DFW snow. 18z NAM (12k) has virtually nothing for DFW.

At this point have to hope for the STJ to supply some additional moisture that the models are missing.


Cant say I'm totally surprised ive been on the fence about the metro all along. Hopefully in a month or two we'll have different results
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1557 Postby Haris » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:04 pm

0z nam very cold!


32F austin Tuesday and 29-30F Wed!
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1558 Postby Rgv20 » Sat Nov 10, 2018 10:06 pm

0zNAM showing moisture returning for the RGV with temperatures in the mid 30s Tuesday Night thru Wednesday Morning.....Frozen precipitation of any kind is very very rare down here and not to mention that is only mid November! :eek:

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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1559 Postby somethingfunny » Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:27 am

How much rain is expected though?
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Re: Texas Fall 2018

#1560 Postby Brent » Sun Nov 11, 2018 1:55 am

somethingfunny wrote:How much rain is expected though?


looking like probably around an inch for the metro. It's gonna be a miserable rain at that
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