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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#741 Postby PTrackerLA » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:44 pm

18z Euro is nearly identical to the NHC track... just a touch east of it. 18z GFS had a fairly significant shift west. I would expect a slight shift east at best for the 11pm update. Unfortunately the 18z Euro clobbers Lafayette with the 20"+ stripe so with hurricane gusting south winds that would be a whole lot worse than our August 2016 20"+ event. Not good.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#742 Postby sphelps8681 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:45 pm

When will the data from the planes be available on the models?
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#743 Postby Nederlander » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:49 pm

sphelps8681 wrote:When will the data from the planes be available on the models?


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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#744 Postby Audrey2Katrina » Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:51 pm

jasons wrote:It's funny how times have changed over the years. I remember when the GFDL was considered to use cutting-edge technology (at the time). It was almost freaky with TD10/then-Katrina, the only model showing the SW hook over Florida. It was voodoo-like at the time.

Then, somehow, it became trash.


I'm no pro-met, by any means; but have followed these forces of nature since Hurricane Audrey which I remember quite well. The GFDL was ALWAYS more reliable as a model than many of those being posted here. I'll stick with the NHC for my part. No slight intended, just defending the GFDL which I always thought was pretty close.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#745 Postby w5yne » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:03 pm

I have been on this forum for a while and find it great how much you guys put into what you do, that said the NHC are normally on the ball with storm tracks
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Re: RE: Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#746 Postby jlauderdal » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:12 pm

w5yne wrote:I have been on this forum for a while and find it great how much you guys put into what you do, that said the NHC are normally on the ball with storm tracks
NHC is locked in on the track at 3 days out, if you are on the line or 30 miles either side except to take the eyewall..they have been that good the last couple of years

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Re: RE: Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#747 Postby wxman57 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:18 pm

jlauderdal wrote:
w5yne wrote:I have been on this forum for a while and find it great how much you guys put into what you do, that said the NHC are normally on the ball with storm tracks
NHC is locked in on the track at 3 days out, if you are on the line or 30 miles either side except to take the eyewall..they have been that good the last couple of years

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This is not a very clear-cut situation. I wouldn't be surprised if it moves inland as far east as south of New Orleans, as the "legacy-GFS" predicts. NHC track may be east of Vermilion Bay by morning if the models don't shift significantly west.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#748 Postby BRweather » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:22 pm

I would not even think about using the UKMET or NAM. They are doing a terrible job at depicting the frontal boundary pushing south. That frontal boundary is going to play a big role in trying to steer the system north.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#749 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:23 pm

BRweather wrote:I would not even think about using the UKMET or NAM. They are doing a terrible job at depicting the frontal boundary pushing south. That frontal boundary is going to play a big role in trying to steer the system north.



The NAM yes.. Poor choice not to pay attention to the UKMET.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#750 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:33 pm

Legacy GFS:

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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#751 Postby Nederlander » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:35 pm


It would need to start gaining latitude now for that to verify
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Re: RE: Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#752 Postby w5yne » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:36 pm

jlauderdal wrote:
w5yne wrote:I have been on this forum for a while and find it great how much you guys put into what you do, that said the NHC are normally on the ball with storm tracks
NHC is locked in on the track at 3 days out, if you are on the line or 30 miles either side except to take the eyewall..they have been that good the last couple of years

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Eye is on track to pass right over my house as of now :eek:
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#753 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:36 pm



we can essentially toss out the legacy GFS.. it has it moving wnw from current position when it is dropping wsw to sw ..
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#754 Postby BRweather » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:38 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
BRweather wrote:I would not even think about using the UKMET or NAM. They are doing a terrible job at depicting the frontal boundary pushing south. That frontal boundary is going to play a big role in trying to steer the system north.



The NAM yes.. Poor choice not to pay attention to the UKMET.


The UKMET QPF totals were way too low implying to me the front is way too weak
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#755 Postby SoupBone » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:38 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
BRweather wrote:I would not even think about using the UKMET or NAM. They are doing a terrible job at depicting the frontal boundary pushing south. That frontal boundary is going to play a big role in trying to steer the system north.



The NAM yes.. Poor choice not to pay attention to the UKMET.


Aric, could you explain why?
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#756 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:44 pm

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Aric Dunn wrote:
BRweather wrote:I would not even think about using the UKMET or NAM. They are doing a terrible job at depicting the frontal boundary pushing south. That frontal boundary is going to play a big role in trying to steer the system north.



The NAM yes.. Poor choice not to pay attention to the UKMET.


Aric, could you explain why?


UKMET is one of the most reliable models.. besides florence last year it often sniffs out ridge strength. so we are cutting hairs here. The last 3 runs of the ukmet has reliably had the ridge strength correct and the extent.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#757 Postby gatorcane » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:52 pm

Looks like the NAM out through 9 hours is weaker and has shifted east.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#758 Postby tarheelprogrammer » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:57 pm

gatorcane wrote:Looks like the NAM out through 9 hours is weaker and has shifted east.


It also has the center of the storm in the spot it is in now, or a little north of that, at hour 15. It appears to be a bad initialization.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#759 Postby Cataegis96 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:57 pm

gatorcane wrote:Looks like the NAM out through 9 hours is weaker and has shifted east.


Seems like it initialized a bit too far north.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Models

#760 Postby Aric Dunn » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:57 pm

gatorcane wrote:Looks like the NAM out through 9 hours is weaker and has shifted east.


it also shows the center reforming 150 miles to the SW tomorrow...
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