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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1941 Postby TheProfessor » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:12 pm

harp wrote:Happy for you guys!! I will be living vicariously through you over here in Louisiana. Doesn't look like we have a chance.


It's often during these North Texas Snowstorms that we end up in a prime spot for severe weather. The Euro has been hinting at this and it looks like the GFS may be playing catch up now, so that is what we will have to watch.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1942 Postby harp » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:14 pm

TheProfessor wrote:
harp wrote:Happy for you guys!! I will be living vicariously through you over here in Louisiana. Doesn't look like we have a chance.


It's often during these North Texas Snowstorms that we end up in a prime spot for severe weather. The Euro has been hinting at this and it looks like the GFS may be playing catch up now, so that is what we will have to watch.

Yeah, I wish it were different. I think our winter here is over. we are running out of time unless we get a last minute surprise.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1943 Postby Ralph's Weather » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:14 pm

Cerlin wrote:I was a few days away from issuing my official winter cancel too...now my life has purpose again!

February remains king for snow. January is rarely good. I am waiting to get excited though I do think this is as good of a chance as we have had in a long time for a Feb 2010 event. Cold air in place ahead of the storm, cold air aloft moving in and a very deep storms system. I'd like the surface high to be a bit stronger and SE but that is being nitpicky. The GFS looks way way too warm at the surface especially after the storm.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1944 Postby Cerlin » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:23 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:
Cerlin wrote:I was a few days away from issuing my official winter cancel too...now my life has purpose again!

February remains king for snow. January is rarely good. I am waiting to get excited though I do think this is as good of a chance as we have had in a long time for a Feb 2010 event. Cold air in place ahead of the storm, cold air aloft moving in and a very deep storms system. I'd like the surface high to be a bit stronger and SE but that is being nitpicky. The GFS looks way way too warm at the surface especially after the storm.

For sure, all the signs have been here for sure, but I just figured it’d fizzle out like normal. All of this is within 7 days too...very exciting. I’m very interested to see how the mid range models handle this in the next few days.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1945 Postby Ralph's Weather » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:26 pm

starsfan65 wrote:
Ralph's Weather wrote:This looks like a situation where the models are actually underdoing the winter precip potential of this storm.
underdoing the winter precip?

Yes, that set up should produce bands of 6-12" snow and it should extend east of DFW. Some of that is because I think the models are under doing the surface cold air and also because models ae showing under 1" liquid for the event. Even without a great inflow of Pacific moisture the dynamic nature of this could produce bursts of heavy precip.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1946 Postby Ralph's Weather » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:27 pm

Should make for a fun few days. By Monday we will begin to really see what may happen.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1947 Postby Brent » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:27 pm

The Euro went the wrong way less snow even to the NW

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1948 Postby TheProfessor » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:33 pm

The UKMET is keeping the snow north and west of North Texas into the Panhandle and west-central Oklahoma. The Ukmet might be the most aggressive model when it comes to severe weather in Louisiana. One thing that the UKMET does do is that is forms a secondary low that goes from about Brownsville to the central La coast. I does produce some snow in DFW, but as of hour 144 it's light. A secondary low could make things interesting for south and east Texas depending on track.

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1949 Postby harp » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:39 pm

TheProfessor wrote:The UKMET is keeping the snow north and west of North Texas into the Panhandle and west-central Oklahoma. The Ukmet might be the most aggressive model when it comes to severe weather in Louisiana. One thing that the UKMET does do is that is forms a secondary low that goes from about Brownsville to the central La coast. I does produce some snow in DFW, but as of hour 144 it's light. A secondary low could make things interesting for south and east Texas depending on track.

I have always said that what southeast Texas gets, we in south Louisiana get the next day. I am pulling for southeast Texas. Although, it doesn't seem cold enough for us.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1950 Postby TheProfessor » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:44 pm

harp wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:The UKMET is keeping the snow north and west of North Texas into the Panhandle and west-central Oklahoma. The Ukmet might be the most aggressive model when it comes to severe weather in Louisiana. One thing that the UKMET does do is that is forms a secondary low that goes from about Brownsville to the central La coast. I does produce some snow in DFW, but as of hour 144 it's light. A secondary low could make things interesting for south and east Texas depending on track.

I have always said that what southeast Texas gets, we in south Louisiana get the next day. I am pulling for southeast Texas. Although, it doesn't seem cold enough for us.


In this case though probably not, we'd be on the east side of the lower pressure and in the warm sector. If we want any fun we'd need a secondary low to form and move from Brownsville to about Mobile, Al. Surface temps are still warm even for east and southeast Texas, but the important thing is you have a fairly strong low with cold air advection behind it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1951 Postby gboudx » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:44 pm

harp wrote:Happy for you guys!! I will be living vicariously through you over here in Louisiana. Doesn't look like we have a chance.


Let's come back to this post when my weather rock shows snow on it. Way too much time for things to change.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1952 Postby TheProfessor » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:04 pm

One thing to look at is that the GFS is the fastest solution right now and the UKMET is the slowest solution. This might be model bias showing up in these models and in that case taking the model in the middle(Euro) would be ideal at this time. Though since it's still 5 days away there's plenty of time for different trends to occur. If I had my way I'd love to see an even slower solution that digs further south into Mexico, there might be some signs that this could happen. With the AO and NAO going positive it could actually help out a lot of the central U.S folks. Yes usually hear about -AO and -NAO causing large snow storms, but that's usually more for our east coast friends. Anyways if you could get a nice southeast ridge to form extending only to about the Mississippi river or so you could really get a big storm to develop in Texas then cut into the Midwest.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1953 Postby TheProfessor » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:07 pm

One other thing is that the EPO is forecasted to trend negative around this time(and eventually go negative) though the EPO will still be positive, sometimes all you need is for that negative trend to happen.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1954 Postby harp » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:10 pm

TheProfessor wrote:One other thing is that the EPO is forecasted to trend negative around this time(and eventually go negative) though the EPO will still be positive, sometimes all you need is for that negative trend to happen.

Is there anything we should watch for here in Louisiana? I know I'm grasping at straws here, but we are running out of time. Thanks.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1955 Postby TheProfessor » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:13 pm

harp wrote:
TheProfessor wrote:One other thing is that the EPO is forecasted to trend negative around this time(and eventually go negative) though the EPO will still be positive, sometimes all you need is for that negative trend to happen.

Is there anything we should watch for here in Louisiana? I know I'm grasping at straws here, but we are running out of time. Thanks.


Like I said, you'd want to watch for a secondary low that forms and moves towards Mobile with sufficient cold air to the north the filter in behind. The likelihood of this happening is very slim though. A secondary low in general is not a given and only the UKMET is showing one right now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1956 Postby harp » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:18 pm

Thank you
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1957 Postby wxman57 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:28 pm

Looks marginal for the D-FW area. Wouldn't rule out something like you saw there a few weeks ago when DFW recorded a trace of snow. Could be less than that, though. It's still a bit far out to be very confident.
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#1958 Postby orangeblood » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:26 pm

Euro EPS starting to become really consistent, really good sign for next week!!

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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1959 Postby Portastorm » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:48 pm

wxman57 wrote:Looks marginal for the D-FW area. Wouldn't rule out something like you saw there a few weeks ago when DFW recorded a trace of snow. Could be less than that, though. It's still a bit far out to be very confident.


Who wants snow anyhow?! I'm sick of winter. Give me bright Texas sunshine and temps in the 90s.
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Re: Texas Winter 2019-2020

#1960 Postby gpsnowman » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:53 pm

Portastorm wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Looks marginal for the D-FW area. Wouldn't rule out something like you saw there a few weeks ago when DFW recorded a trace of snow. Could be less than that, though. It's still a bit far out to be very confident.


Who wants snow anyhow?! I'm sick of winter. Give me bright Texas sunshine and temps in the 90s.

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