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#461 Postby Shell Mound » Fri May 08, 2020 3:35 am

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#462 Postby Shell Mound » Fri May 08, 2020 4:03 am

Essentially, there are two primary factors that could prevent this season from being hyperactive: a) the configuration and degree of warmth in the tropical Atlantic (MDR)/Caribbean by ASO, which is in part connected to the state of the NAO (meaning stronger or weaker subtropical high and associated trades) at that time; and b) the state and location of upward motion over the North Pacific basin to northward of the equator. A persistent +NAO regime, acting on SSTs via enhanced trades, would tend to cool down the MDR/Caribbean, as seen on the ECMWF, while enhanced convection over the EPAC, between 120°–100°W, would induce shear over the Caribbean, along with hints of a stronger TUTT near the islands, as seen on both the CFSv2 and EC. Note that both of these models show not just a dry Caribbean during ASO, but also show a sharp decrease in above-average precipitation near the Leeward Islands, around 60°–65°W.
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#463 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri May 08, 2020 7:28 am

I’ll be interested to see what NOAA says when they release their numbers later this month along with an updated CSU release. Some of this talk is really interesting and will play a role in either hurting or helping fuel the Atlantic Hurricane Season.
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#464 Postby cycloneye » Fri May 08, 2020 8:35 am

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#465 Postby aspen » Fri May 08, 2020 8:55 am

cycloneye wrote:NNME precipitation for ASO.

https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1258752261603201024

MDR precipitation looks relatively unchanged, but I’m really interested in the increased precipitation on both sides of Central America and up into the Greater Antilles and the Bahamas. Perhaps we could see increased activity around both the Atlantic and Pacific sides of CA.
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#466 Postby SFLcane » Fri May 08, 2020 9:21 am

cycloneye wrote:NNME precipitation for ASO.

https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1258752261603201024


Wow! :crazyeyes:
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#467 Postby hurricanes1234 » Fri May 08, 2020 9:45 am

Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why this model might be hinting at a somewhat drier Caribbean.

Hopefully that doesn't turn out to be the case as we may need some average to above-average rains to make up for the relative dryness in the area since the start of 2019.
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#468 Postby JetFuel_SE » Fri May 08, 2020 10:03 am

hurricanes1234 wrote:Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why this model might be hinting at a somewhat drier Caribbean.

Hopefully that doesn't turn out to be the case as we may need some average to above-average rains to make up for the relative dryness in the area since the start of 2019.

It's clearly trending wetter, as shown in the GIF.
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#470 Postby toad strangler » Fri May 08, 2020 10:38 am

Given the large amount of indicators thus far that sure look conducive for a above normal Atlantic Basin season, steering indicators will soon take a front seat on the bus. Those are the toughest of all to sniff out clues on. Obviously we can get a really busy season but have most of them do climo recurves out into the open sea. That would be the preferable outcome for sure. But I don't root for weather, I observe it :P
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#471 Postby hurricanes1234 » Fri May 08, 2020 10:50 am

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hurricanes1234 wrote:Just out of curiosity, I'm wondering why this model might be hinting at a somewhat drier Caribbean.

Hopefully that doesn't turn out to be the case as we may need some average to above-average rains to make up for the relative dryness in the area since the start of 2019.

It's clearly trending wetter, as shown in the GIF.


Whoops, I should've been more precise ... the eastern and especially the southeastern Caribbean where it's still brown in the second picture.

I guess maybe it's predicting more waves to potentially form into tropical cyclones, which would mean they don't ride the southeastern Caribbean in large numbers as they usually do (with more probably heading a little further north than that if they form into storms)?
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#472 Postby TheStormExpert » Fri May 08, 2020 11:01 am

aspen wrote:
cycloneye wrote:NNME precipitation for ASO.

https://twitter.com/BenNollWeather/status/1258752261603201024

MDR precipitation looks relatively unchanged, but I’m really interested in the increased precipitation on both sides of Central America and up into the Greater Antilles and the Bahamas. Perhaps we could see increased activity around both the Atlantic and Pacific sides of CA.

A lot of times these precipitation outlook plumes can be a good indication of where storms will form and track. In this case just going by that particular model it looks like we may have several storms form in the Western Caribbean and Bay of Campeche and track NE towards the NE Gulf Coast, Florida, Cuba, and The Bahamas. With a secondary clustering in the Tropical Atlantic heading west then NW towards the NE Caribbean or just north of them.

Doesn't really look like there will be a stronger than normal Bermuda/Azores High like we've seen in many recent seasons which really doesn't come at a surprise considering the current pattern we're in now.

This is just a total guesstimate and by no means is ANYONE off the hook!
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#473 Postby toad strangler » Fri May 08, 2020 11:06 am

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Is saying that the NMME is showing a later start to MDR season as in recent years

 http://twitter.com/yconsor/status/1258788663976251393


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#474 Postby toad strangler » Fri May 08, 2020 11:12 am

toad strangler wrote:Given the large amount of indicators thus far that sure look conducive for a above normal Atlantic Basin season, steering indicators will soon take a front seat on the bus. Those are the toughest of all to sniff out clues on. Obviously we can get a really busy season but have most of them do climo recurves out into the open sea. That would be the preferable outcome for sure. But I don't root for weather, I observe it :P



WOW I beat Andy to it LOL

 http://twitter.com/andyhazelton/status/1258789854957182978


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#476 Postby Shell Mound » Sun May 10, 2020 8:26 am

If this system offshore the SE US were to transpire, it could offer clues as to the rest of the year. Years that featured a similar development and track in the month of May include 1908, 1940, and 1948. Most of the storms in these seasons curved OTS east of the mainland U.S., though some clustered over Central America, TX/LA, and the Carolinas. So these areas might be at highest risk in 2020, based on the ECMWF’s latest run. Of course, first we need to see whether such a system as depicted actually evolves over or near the Bahamas around 20 May.
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#477 Postby CourierPR » Sun May 10, 2020 2:14 pm

Shell Mound wrote:If this system were to transpire, it could offer clues as to the rest of the year. Years that featured a similar development and track in the month of May include 1908, 1940, and 1948. Most of the storms in these seasons curved OTS east of the mainland U.S., though some clustered over Central America, TX/LA, and the Carolinas. So these areas might be at highest risk in 2020, based on the ECMWF’s latest run. Of course, first we need to see whether such a system as depicted actually evolves over or near the Bahamas around 20 May.


I respectfully disagree. Meteorologist Joe Bastardi has already made a possible season tracks forecast and South Florida is in the crosshairs.
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#478 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun May 10, 2020 2:54 pm

CourierPR wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:If this system were to transpire, it could offer clues as to the rest of the year. Years that featured a similar development and track in the month of May include 1908, 1940, and 1948. Most of the storms in these seasons curved OTS east of the mainland U.S., though some clustered over Central America, TX/LA, and the Carolinas. So these areas might be at highest risk in 2020, based on the ECMWF’s latest run. Of course, first we need to see whether such a system as depicted actually evolves over or near the Bahamas around 20 May.


I respectfully disagree. Meteorologist Joe Bastardi has already made a possible season tracks forecast and South Florida is in the crosshairs.


So you’re going to go off of one meteorologists own predictions!? Sounds kind of risky to me!

Shell Mound has a good point! We saw this last year with TD #3 and several other systems leading up to Dorian which all came close but recurved East of Florida.
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#479 Postby CaptainCallout » Sun May 10, 2020 4:37 pm

When is the "season cancelling" crowd going to comment on the spike of SSTs in the MDR?
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#480 Postby toad strangler » Sun May 10, 2020 4:47 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
CourierPR wrote:
Shell Mound wrote:If this system were to transpire, it could offer clues as to the rest of the year. Years that featured a similar development and track in the month of May include 1908, 1940, and 1948. Most of the storms in these seasons curved OTS east of the mainland U.S., though some clustered over Central America, TX/LA, and the Carolinas. So these areas might be at highest risk in 2020, based on the ECMWF’s latest run. Of course, first we need to see whether such a system as depicted actually evolves over or near the Bahamas around 20 May.


I respectfully disagree. Meteorologist Joe Bastardi has already made a possible season tracks forecast and South Florida is in the crosshairs.


So you’re going to go off of one meteorologists own predictions!? Sounds kind of risky to me!

Shell Mound has a good point! We saw this last year with TD #3 and several other systems leading up to Dorian which all came close but recurved East of Florida.


Florida is always under the gun. As are many other locations. I give absolutely zero credence to any of these analogs. The 2020 atmosphere doesn't care about 1908, etc. It is CLIMO for Atlantic Basin storms to re-curve away from United States East Coast. This is no revelation, come on.
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