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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#341 Postby aspen » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:22 am

With the exception of the Euro (which gets really unlucky and rams this system in every island in the northern Caribbean), all of the global models show development in 2-4 days, followed by a Jose-like turn to the north and pass near the NW Leeward Islands, and then a mix of an Irene/Dorian track north of the Caribbean and through the Bahamas. The GFS and NAVGEM are the most aggressive and show a Cat 1 hurricane in 5 days passing near Antigua and Barbuda; the CMC and ICON are a little tamer and show a run-of-the-mill TS in that region. The CMC does get this to a hurricane, but the 06z ICON model doesn’t go far enough out to see whether it follows suit.

I’m starting to get Irene vibes from 92L. The tracks are surprisingly similar as of now, and there’s a decent chance future Isaias could become a Cat 3 and threaten the East Coast if it adheres to the models.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#342 Postby hurrtracker79 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:30 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#343 Postby toad strangler » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:48 am

6z GFS ensembles show a heavy signal for a classic climatological correct re-curving cyclone that scrapes Hatteras aka the "Cow Catcher" on it's way to the N Atlantic
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#344 Postby NDG » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:55 am

I would expect a trend towards the west by the models as time goes by.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#345 Postby Evil Jeremy » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:58 am

SFLcane wrote:Barely misses SFL just offshore.

https://iili.io/dTjJRt.gif

https://iili.io/dTj2bn.gif


Does this HAFS model have a known good/bad track record yet? This is the first time I'm seeing it.... I think I saw someone earlier say that it's intended to replace the HWRF (which itself was a replacement for GFDL) but otherwise it's new to me. Seems to be consistent on taking this to SE FL, but the timeframe is laughably faster than the rest of the model suite.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#346 Postby drezee » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:58 am

NDG wrote:I would expect a trend towards the west by the models as time goes by.

On cue...

 https://twitter.com/_jwall/status/1287369369530413057


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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#347 Postby St0rmTh0r » Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:59 am

How many times has GFS had to adjust left the closer to landfall a storm gets? I can name several.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#348 Postby SFLcane » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:07 am

This run not done yet but it’s seems to be doing a stair step towards the southeast.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#349 Postby MetroMike » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:11 am



A weaker system getting into the Caribbean is most certainly doomed, reguardless of what the say about the lower shear there.
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#350 Postby cybercane » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:17 am

MetroMike wrote:


A weaker system getting into the Caribbean is most certainly doomed, reguardless of what the say about the lower shear there.


that's so not true lol
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#351 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:30 am

At this point a weaker further south and west solution might be more likely a lot like the operational 00z Euro run shows in my opinion.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#352 Postby toad strangler » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:33 am

TheStormExpert wrote:At this point a weaker further south and west solution might be more likely a lot like the operational 00z Euro run shows in my opinion.


Yesterday you were reminding us that you thought the Carolina's were favored in "this set up" :ggreen:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#353 Postby karenfromheaven » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:49 am

Evil Jeremy wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Barely misses SFL just offshore.

https://iili.io/dTjJRt.gif

https://iili.io/dTj2bn.gif


Does this HAFS model have a known good/bad track record yet? This is the first time I'm seeing it.... I think I saw someone earlier say that it's intended to replace the HWRF (which itself was a replacement for GFDL) but otherwise it's new to me. Seems to be consistent on taking this to SE FL, but the timeframe is laughably faster than the rest of the model suite.


HAFS is a new development intended to bring 5 day accuracy to a 7 day forecast.

White paper: http://www.hfip.org/documents/HFIP_Stra ... 190625.pdf
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#354 Postby SFLcane » Sun Jul 26, 2020 9:49 am

Intensifying TC heading WNW...

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#355 Postby Aric Dunn » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:11 am

SFLcane wrote:Intensifying TC heading WNW...

https://iili.io/dTer92.gif


Forgot about this model.. I remember it doing really well last year.

Does appear that there is plenty of 500 mb ridging here to be a SE Florida threat.

but it is still too far out.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#356 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:42 am

12Z GFS coming in much stronger through 42 hours

And also looks further north. Assuming nothing changes, may not impact any land on this run
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#357 Postby Shell Mound » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:45 am

TheStormExpert wrote:At this point a weaker further south and west solution might be more likely a lot like the operational 00z Euro run shows in my opinion.

This is the same ECMWF that, like the GFS, failed to detect Gonzalo and significantly underestimated the organisation/intensification of Hanna.

If anything, 92L is likely to become (significantly?) stronger than many people anticipate at this time. Of course, as is usual, “time will tell.”
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#358 Postby HurricaneFrances04 » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:48 am

No model has performed worse than the NAVGEM, which until 18Z yesterday had Gonzalo becoming a major hurricane in the GOM :wall:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#359 Postby SFLcane » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:49 am

HurricaneFrances04 wrote:12Z GFS coming in much stronger through 42 hours

And also looks further north. Assuming nothing changes, may not impact any land on this run


No ridging.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Models

#360 Postby AutoPenalti » Sun Jul 26, 2020 10:56 am

There’s a lack of ridging on the 12z...
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