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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#861 Postby Blown Away » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:39 pm

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12z GFS-Parallel... Once 98L gets off the islands it's finds fuel to intensify... I think if the GFS were to trend a little N of the islands I think it would intensify... Plus a future runner coming into play after 98L...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#862 Postby Blown Away » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:45 pm

18z GFS... Circulation consolidated at 42 hours... Slightly N of 12z
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#863 Postby toad strangler » Wed Aug 19, 2020 4:59 pm

Blown Away wrote:18z GFS... Circulation consolidated at 42 hours... Slightly N of 12z


@84hrs 18z GFS very slightly N of Hispaniola over 12z with main vort.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#864 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:00 pm

18z GFS...It looks like it cleared the islands to the north but like the Euro it just doesn't want to pop. I think it's picking up on dry air and lack of instability. That's the only thing I can see.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#865 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:02 pm

18Z GFS nearly identical to 12Z through 4 days. The model is not budging that is for sure. Take a look at the 200mb winds while 98l is near Eastern Cuba. That does not look favorable at all. You want to see clockwise flow at that level with the light winds on top of the low-level vorticity. That and the system is just moving too fast. In a way the ridge might be too strong which is squashing development before Florida:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#866 Postby toad strangler » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:02 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:18z GFS...It looks like it cleared the islands to the north but like the Euro it just doesn't want to pop. I think it's picking up on dry air and lack of instability. That's the only thing I can see.


yep, not much change over 12z through 108hrs
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#867 Postby Evil Jeremy » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:05 pm

I honestly don’t know why people still rely on the global models for intensity guidance 5 days out. Or at all really. Putting aside how horrible all the models have been this year, I’ve always understood the global to be a better guide of track than intensity.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#868 Postby toad strangler » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:06 pm

gatorcane wrote:18Z GFS nearly identical to 12Z through 4 days. The model is not budging that is for sure. Take a look at the 200mb winds while 98l is near Eastern Cuba. That does not look favorable at all. You want to see clockwise flow at that level with the light winds on top of the low-level vorticity. That and the system is just moving too fast. In a way the ridge might be too strong which is squashing development before Florida:

https://i.postimg.cc/PryW6CKH/gfs-uv200-watl-2.png


It's the craziest thing. Many pro mets are confounded all over social media as to why 98L doesn't want to develop in model land. They should probably get with you on this.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#869 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:06 pm

gatorcane wrote:18Z GFS nearly identical to 12Z through 4 days. The model is not budging that is for sure. Take a look at the 200mb winds while 98l is near Eastern Cuba. That does not look favorable at all. You want to see clockwise flow at that level with the light winds on top of the low-level vorticity. That and the system is just moving too fast. In a way the ridge might be too strong which is squashing development before Florida:

https://i.postimg.cc/PryW6CKH/gfs-uv200-watl-2.png


The 18Z GFS is actually slightly drier into Florida with this wave at 120 hours. Would love to at least get some rain from this.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#870 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:09 pm

Remember the good times when the 18z GFS was like a Michael Bay movie instead of a Lifetime or Hallmark Christmas movie? :lol:
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ATL: INVEST 98L - Discussion

#871 Postby eastcoastFL » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:11 pm

This is how nuts the models are... Some don’t even form a storm. Some have a TS, a few cat 1s and 2s and then there’s HMON.

Never mind the wide array of tracks


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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#872 Postby sma10 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:12 pm

Evil Jeremy wrote:I honestly don’t know why people still rely on the global models for intensity guidance 5 days out. Or at all really. Putting aside how horrible all the models have been this year, I’ve always understood the global to be a better guide of track than intensity.


You're correct and I don't know why either
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#873 Postby gatorcane » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:13 pm

Not much rain even for South Florida if the 18Z GFS verifies. I am sure the 18Z HWRF and HMON will show a CAT 5 into South Florida :roll: They are a bit better if we have a storm with a well-defined center already.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#874 Postby ConvergenceZone » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:13 pm

gatorcane wrote:18Z GFS nearly identical to 12Z through 4 days. The model is not budging that is for sure. Take a look at the 200mb winds while 98l is near Eastern Cuba. That does not look favorable at all. You want to see clockwise flow at that level with the light winds on top of the low-level vorticity. That and the system is just moving too fast. In a way the ridge might be too strong which is squashing development before Florida:

https://i.postimg.cc/PryW6CKH/gfs-uv200-watl-2.png


I guess you missed the posts about the latest EURO ensembles becoming more bullish, which is a sign that the EURO maybe changing its tune
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#875 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:17 pm

18z HMON is running... Let's see what kind of excitement it can generate.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#876 Postby ConvergenceZone » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:17 pm

So many people worship the GFS and EURO, it’s actually quite comical... No matter how many times they are wrong during this season, they will keep worshiping them
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#877 Postby AxaltaRacing24 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:17 pm

ConvergenceZone wrote:
gatorcane wrote:18Z GFS nearly identical to 12Z through 4 days. The model is not budging that is for sure. Take a look at the 200mb winds while 98l is near Eastern Cuba. That does not look favorable at all. You want to see clockwise flow at that level with the light winds on top of the low-level vorticity. That and the system is just moving too fast. In a way the ridge might be too strong which is squashing development before Florida:

https://i.postimg.cc/PryW6CKH/gfs-uv200-watl-2.png


I guess you missed the posts about the latest EURO ensembles becoming more bullish, which is a sign that the EURO maybe changing its tune

it goes against the narrative
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#878 Postby jdjaguar » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:21 pm

gatorcane wrote:
gatorcane wrote:18Z GFS nearly identical to 12Z through 4 days. The model is not budging that is for sure. Take a look at the 200mb winds while 98l is near Eastern Cuba. That does not look favorable at all. You want to see clockwise flow at that level with the light winds on top of the low-level vorticity. That and the system is just moving too fast. In a way the ridge might be too strong which is squashing development before Florida:

https://i.postimg.cc/PryW6CKH/gfs-uv200-watl-2.png


The 18Z GFS is actually slightly drier into Florida with this wave at 120 hours. Would love to at least get some rain from this.
is this sarcasm?
It has rained everyday in August in NFL.
Eyes on both systems.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#879 Postby sma10 » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:22 pm

ConvergenceZone wrote:So many people worship the GFS and EURO, it’s actually quite comical... No matter how many times they are wrong during this season, they will keep worshiping them


What's not to love? They've had a stellar summer
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Re: ATL: INVEST 98L - Models

#880 Postby caneseddy » Wed Aug 19, 2020 5:22 pm

Wasn’t the GFS predicting a huge blow up in the EPAC with majors everywhere and nothing would form in the Atlantic? What happened there? Only Genevieve made it to major..

Seriously, as many pro Mets have said today, it maybe better to look at the ensembles rather than the deterministic models at this time and the ensembles are much more bullish on 98l
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