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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#341 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:58 pm

LMFAO!!!!
GFS totally misses the ML Vort in the Yucatan Channel.
We might see a little Fuji dance.
Wait when the models put in that recon drop there and the pinhole eye.

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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#342 Postby aspen » Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:59 pm

CyclonicFury wrote:Hard to believe there's a closed eye already. Nana still seems to be dealing with some easterly shear (which is rather unusual in the Caribbean) since the center is on the eastern edge of the convection, but once this shear relaxes, we could see some more pronounced intensification.

The NHC says shear will continue to drop through the next 48 hours and the atmosphere will moisten up after 24 hours. Looks like Nana could end up as another intensifying-until-landfall storm.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#343 Postby us89 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:01 pm

Intermediate advisory puts it at 50 mph/1002 mb.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#344 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:07 pm

Also, looking at steering, the deeper this gets the slower the forward speed.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#345 Postby lrak » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:10 pm

GCANE wrote:LMFAO!!!!
GFS totally misses the ML Vort in the Yucatan Channel.
We might see a little Fuji dance.
Wait when the models put in that recon drop there and the pinhole eye.

https://i.imgur.com/zvCdQv2.png

https://i.imgur.com/kxqz3Dz.png


I have a hard time figuring out short term steering. Do you think the ML Vort will swing it a bit more north and get into the BOC?
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#346 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:12 pm

Western edge firing really nice as it gets into the Theta-E ridge.
CAPE continuing to rise. Now 4000.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#347 Postby aspen » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:15 pm

First we had Micro Marco, now we have Nano Nana.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#348 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:16 pm

lrak wrote:
GCANE wrote:LMFAO!!!!
GFS totally misses the ML Vort in the Yucatan Channel.
We might see a little Fuji dance.
Wait when the models put in that recon drop there and the pinhole eye.

https://i.imgur.com/zvCdQv2.png

https://i.imgur.com/kxqz3Dz.png


I have a hard time figuring out short term steering. Do you think the ML Vort will swing it a bit more north and get into the BOC?


Steering appears to say so, but what I see on WV looks like its stationary.
If it starts swinging to the SE, then could see a Fujiwhara effect with Nana as it draws closer.
It would likely swing Nana a little more to the NW instead of W.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#349 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:23 pm

Another thing that could weaken the GoM high would be popups over FL.
Strong CAPE over much of the state with 4500 over the Glades.
Cumulus building from clear skies.

I don't think the current forecast track is anywhere yet cast in stone.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#350 Postby lrak » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:29 pm

GCANE wrote:
lrak wrote:
GCANE wrote:LMFAO!!!!
GFS totally misses the ML Vort in the Yucatan Channel.
We might see a little Fuji dance.
Wait when the models put in that recon drop there and the pinhole eye.

https://i.imgur.com/zvCdQv2.png

https://i.imgur.com/kxqz3Dz.png


I have a hard time figuring out short term steering. Do you think the ML Vort will swing it a bit more north and get into the BOC?


Steering appears to say so, but what I see on WV looks like its stationary.
If it starts swinging to the SE, then could see a Fujiwhara effect with Nana as it draws closer.
It would likely swing Nana a little more to the NW instead of W.



the ML Vort looks like it's moving slowly WNW....but it is huge compared to Nana...aka...grandma :D

Not -removed- but want some more surf!!!
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#351 Postby Nimbus » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:33 pm

Not sure how much of a steering element that mid level vort will be. It has moved due west since we spotted it over the tip of Cuba last night. The high cirrus clouds are expanding outwards from the six mile wide eye of Nana which may be slowing as it centers under the building high pressure dome. Only two data points for the eye but WNW is not a good heading for a storm above 16.5 N when you are expecting a storm bound for the Pacific? 5 or 11 PM update should be interesting.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#352 Postby lrak » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:38 pm

Forgot to mention the big ULL to its NE....will that affect it? Every time I look at the steering charts I get confused :oops:
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#353 Postby cheezyWXguy » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:39 pm

I must say, I am impressed with Nana’s appearance on visible satellite. Banding features across the northern 2/3s make it look like a classic Caribbean system. If trends hold and convection deepens this could easily be a hurricane by tomorrow morning
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#354 Postby gatorcane » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:43 pm

Saved loop showing the nice outflow and banding. Not surprising this developed. Models don’t do well with micro storms:

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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#355 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:44 pm

Ridging is well-established north of Grandma. She’s on a beeline for a Central American burial. Let’s just hope she’s not a bitter old lady before that happens.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#356 Postby wxman57 » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:45 pm

GCANE wrote:LMFAO!!!!
GFS totally misses the ML Vort in the Yucatan Channel.
We might see a little Fuji dance.
Wait when the models put in that recon drop there and the pinhole eye.

https://i.imgur.com/zvCdQv2.png

https://i.imgur.com/kxqz3Dz.png


Don't laugh too hard, it's not at 500 mb, it's an upper-level low, which the GFS sees well.

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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#357 Postby lrak » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:46 pm

MississippiWx wrote:Ridging is well-established north of Grandma. She’s on a beeline for a Central American burial. Let’s just hope she’s not a bitter old lady before that happens.


Is that why all the outflow is to the west of "grandma?"
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#358 Postby GCANE » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:51 pm

wxman57 wrote:
GCANE wrote:LMFAO!!!!
GFS totally misses the ML Vort in the Yucatan Channel.
We might see a little Fuji dance.
Wait when the models put in that recon drop there and the pinhole eye.

https://i.imgur.com/zvCdQv2.png

https://i.imgur.com/kxqz3Dz.png


Don't laugh too hard, it's not at 500 mb, it's an upper-level low, which the GFS sees well.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2020090112/gfs_uv200_watl_2.png



You are right, I just checked CIMSS and it is an ULL.
Thanks.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#359 Postby MississippiWx » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:51 pm

lrak wrote:
MississippiWx wrote:Ridging is well-established north of Grandma. She’s on a beeline for a Central American burial. Let’s just hope she’s not a bitter old lady before that happens.


Is that why all the outflow is to the west of "grandma?"


Yes. She is being steered by a stacked deep layer ridge to the north which goes all the way up to the 200mb level. In other words, she ain’t got the strength to climb the stairs and the elevator is broken.
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Re: ATL: NANA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#360 Postby AnnularCane » Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:52 pm

gatorcane wrote:Saved loop showing the nice outflow and banding. Not surprising this developed. Models don’t do well with micro storms:

https://i.postimg.cc/x8vmxqd5/goes16-vis-16-L-202009011535.gif



Such a pretty thing. :) But it seems like a lot of the sat loops I've seen lately have been jumping around. Is something going on with them?
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