Trough of low pressure in Western Caribbean (Is Invest 95L)

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#581 Postby Frank2 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:54 am

I didn't check in here after the 18z GFS run yesterday, because it was hash data and needed to be discarded. The 00z and 06z are back in line with previous runs that have trended a bit more eastward and weaker. The NHC apparently isn't too concerned at this point considering the casual wording of their TWO's, because slowly moving lows in the Western Caribbean at this time of year are common. Some form and some don't, but the model's don't know that and intensify any disturbance in the area.

Still, if something does form the most likely track for mid-late October is NNE...

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#582 Postby ronjon » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:07 am

Interesting that the Euro doesn't really retrograde 94L. It intensifies it but drifts in south, then stationary, then slowly N-NE. This allows more ridging to remain in place over the SW Atlantic. Indeed the Euro builds literally a thumb ridge oriented northwest/southeast east of Florida at 500 mb before the trough sweeps in from the NW. This is what ACJ3 our east Florida resident MET was describing in an earlier post about these systems not retrograding as fast as some models depict. So lots of moving parts here still in a forecast more than a week away.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#583 Postby ElectricStorm » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:07 am

Frank2 wrote:I didn't check in here after the 18z GFS run yesterday, because it was hash data and needed to be discarded. The 00z and 06z are back in line with previous runs that have trended a bit more eastward and weaker. The NHC apparently isn't too concerned at this point considering the casual wording of their TWO's, because slowly moving lows in the Western Caribbean at this time of year are common. Some form and some don't, but the model's don't know that and intensify any disturbance in the area.

Still, if something does form the most likely track for mid-late October is NNE...

Frank

Yeah but the 0z run wasn't weaker, it just didn't landfall in Florida. It's really gonna do what it's boss 94L tells it to do lol
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#584 Postby aspen » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:22 am

Until Zeta’s precursor forms on Monday, it’s going to be a back-and-forth between a late season slop storm and a exploding major hurricane. At least there’s more agreement on the track, though.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#585 Postby SFLcane » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:22 am

Definitely have to wait until the broad low forms before we can get a better idea we’re this is going to track.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#586 Postby GeneratorPower » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:27 am

SFLcane wrote:Definitely have to wait until the broad low forms before we can get a better idea we’re this is going to track.

I’ll still be watching it and things can change. But I’ve seen enough. Moderate slopgyre moving over Cuba and northeast through Bahamas. That’s my final answer.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#587 Postby underthwx » Sat Oct 17, 2020 9:29 am

GeneratorPower wrote:
SFLcane wrote:Definitely have to wait until the broad low forms before we can get a better idea we’re this is going to track.

I’ll still be watching it and things can change. But I’ve seen enough. Moderate slopgyre moving over Cuba and northeast through Bahamas. That’s my final answer.


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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#588 Postby SFLcane » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:00 am

GEFS This morning... just to close to call trying to figure we’re this low if any will form.

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#589 Postby Frank2 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:08 am

But even that graphic shows a loosely-organized mess moving NNE.

Thinking back to Wilma, everyone was impressed at the large circulation several days before it consolidated, and knew if it did it would be a powerful system. Right now there is nothing there that comes close to what we were seeing 15 years ago...
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#590 Postby aspen » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:20 am

Zeta and its disturbance will have up to six days in the Caribbean, and said disturbance is still 2 days out from forming. A lot can change, but given the WCar’s track record this year of rapid intensification, there’s a decent chance Zeta will go bonkers if given the opportunity.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#591 Postby SFLcane » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:32 am

Frank2 wrote:But even that graphic shows a loosely-organized mess moving NNE.

Thinking back to Wilma, everyone was impressed at the large circulation several days before it consolidated, and knew if it did it would be a powerful system. Right now there is nothing there that comes close to what we were seeing 15 years ago...


No sir... the red circles rings are all potentially strong hurricanes shown by the gfs ensembles. Ultimate Location is anyone’s guess.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#592 Postby Spacecoast » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:44 am

SFLcane wrote:
Frank2 wrote:But even that graphic shows a loosely-organized mess moving NNE.

Thinking back to Wilma, everyone was impressed at the large circulation several days before it consolidated, and knew if it did it would be a powerful system. Right now there is nothing there that comes close to what we were seeing 15 years ago...


No sir... the red circles rings are all potentially strong hurricanes shown by the gfs ensembles. Ultimate Location is anyone’s guess.


The red circles have a normalize spread of greater than 2.4, which means that the ultimate intensity,(and location) is anyone's guess,including the GEFS members.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#593 Postby otowntiger » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:45 am

Frank2 wrote:I didn't check in here after the 18z GFS run yesterday, because it was hash data and needed to be discarded. The 00z and 06z are back in line with previous runs that have trended a bit more eastward and weaker. The NHC apparently isn't too concerned at this point considering the casual wording of their TWO's, because slowly moving lows in the Western Caribbean at this time of year are common. Some form and some don't, but the model's don't know that and intensify any disturbance in the area.

Still, if something does form the most likely track for mid-late October is NNE...

Frank
thanks Frank. My sentiments exactly, although I would add late October movement is typically NNE- NE.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#595 Postby psyclone » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:53 am

Another day in the hopper/another lean to the right with that late season track up and out to the east...another reminder that Delta was likely FL's late season scare and it just got lost on the way. As always keep we keep checking in to make sure we remain on track...
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#596 Postby SFLcane » Sat Oct 17, 2020 10:54 am

Icon finally coming around with Caribbean disturbance.

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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#597 Postby blp » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:03 am

SFLcane wrote:Icon finally coming around with Caribbean disturbance.

https://i.postimg.cc/TwXRKyk6/4450-BC4-A-DBBE-42-A6-A9-B7-B5-BAB8574804.gif


Yeah first time it develops from same origin of GFS. Before it was developing from vorticity of 93l.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#598 Postby aspen » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:15 am

12z GFS takes a while trying to figure out where to concentrate the gyre’s vorticity.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#599 Postby boca » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:17 am

I was going to cancel my trip to the Keys next weekend but I’m glad I didn’t but I’m not going to say all clear but all the models say Cuba and Bahamas as of today and I think they are nailing down the track since it hasn’t really changed the one time on the GFS18z which was trash. The GFS 12z looks like the same track.Thank you 94L.
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Re: Possible SW Caribbean Development

#600 Postby SFLcane » Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:21 am

boca wrote:I was going to cancel my trip to the Keys next weekend but I’m glad I didn’t but I’m not going to say all clear but all the models say Cuba and Bahamas as of today and I think they are nailing down to track since it hasn’t really changed the one time on the GFS18z which was trash.


94L ultimately saves the day. Big powerful hurricane there keeping the ridge from building. Enjoy your trip in the keys :sun:
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