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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#281 Postby Iceresistance » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:04 am

Aric Dunn wrote:I have not checked since yesterday..

but I see we are still calling this an open wave.. lol

There is a LLC with a possible eye feature/dry slot.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#282 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:08 am

Looks like we are going to get some RI out of this over the next 36 hours...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#283 Postby Kazmit » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:13 am

NDG wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:

That's a dry slot... Not an eye


I agree, is just a dry slot within the strong mid level circulation.
If it has a closed LLC is is still west of it.

https://i.imgur.com/h7UAkOn.jpg

It looks like a mid-range TS with that banding...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#284 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:16 am

Kazmit wrote:
NDG wrote:
Weather Dude wrote:That's a dry slot... Not an eye


I agree, is just a dry slot within the strong mid level circulation.
If it has a closed LLC is is still west of it.

https://i.imgur.com/h7UAkOn.jpg

It looks like a mid-range TS with that banding...


This is almost certainly Eta.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#285 Postby ElectricStorm » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:18 am

Aric Dunn wrote:
Kazmit wrote:
NDG wrote:
I agree, is just a dry slot within the strong mid level circulation.
If it has a closed LLC is is still west of it.

https://i.imgur.com/h7UAkOn.jpg

It looks like a mid-range TS with that banding...


This is almost certainly Eta.

Yeah I'm kinda surprised they didn't upgrade
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#286 Postby NDG » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:20 am

I do however think it has a well defined closed circulation, just to the west of the MLC.
The NHC must have taken a well deserved morning off to not upgrade it at 11 AM :wink:

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#287 Postby aspen » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:21 am

At this rate, recon is gonna find a 55-60 kt TS when it arrives tomorrow.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#288 Postby SouthDadeFish » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:21 am

I can see pretty clear low-level inflow out of the SW and a curved band forming on the south side of the system. Looks like a TC to me...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#289 Postby cycloneye » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:26 am

For the members who are asking when recon will go, I just posted the TCPOD for Sunday and Monday. See the details at the 96L Recon thread
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#290 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:28 am

So no recon Until tonorrow.. interesting.

going to have a hurricane by then with an eye and ASCAT showing its not closed lol
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#291 Postby Shell Mound » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:30 am

wxman57 wrote:The requirements for a PTC advisory are that there is a high chance of development (check) AND that the potential storm is within 48 hrs of impacting a coastal region that the NHC warns for (nope). Looks like it will reach the coast of Nicaragua Tuesday evening. Therefore, about the earliest we could expect a PTC advisory would be tomorrow late afternoon. However, if you're curious what the NHC track would look like, it would look just like the consensus model (TVCN):

http://wxman57.com/images/TVCN.JPG

Note that the TVCN indicates a significant slowdown just before landfall. 96L may well loop along the coast of Central America and not move far inland at all.

The current rate of intensification means that 96L (Eta) is less likely to move well inland before stalling, looping offshore, and eventually heading northward.

I’m already thinking this could well become a high-end Cat-4 or even low-end Cat-5 before hitting Cabo Gracias a Dios, stalling, and then entering the GoH.*

*Gulf of Honduras

(At any rate, this won’t weaken much, if at all, due to the brevity of its landfall on the relatively flat, marshy Miskito Coast, near the Nicaragua–Honduras line.)

Don’t be shocked if both Central America and Cuba/Florida face the possibility of multiple Cat-4+ landfalls in association with 96L (future Eta).
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#292 Postby SFLcane » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:38 am

Shell Mound wrote:
wxman57 wrote:The requirements for a PTC advisory are that there is a high chance of development (check) AND that the potential storm is within 48 hrs of impacting a coastal region that the NHC warns for (nope). Looks like it will reach the coast of Nicaragua Tuesday evening. Therefore, about the earliest we could expect a PTC advisory would be tomorrow late afternoon. However, if you're curious what the NHC track would look like, it would look just like the consensus model (TVCN):

http://wxman57.com/images/TVCN.JPG

Note that the TVCN indicates a significant slowdown just before landfall. 96L may well loop along the coast of Central America and not move far inland at all.

The current rate of intensification means that 96L (Eta) is less likely to move well inland before stalling, looping offshore, and eventually heading northward.

I’m already thinking this could well become a high-end Cat-4 or even low-end Cat-5 before hitting Cabo Gracias a Dios, stalling, and then entering the GoH.*

*Gulf of Honduras

(At any rate, this won’t weaken much, if at all, due to the brevity of its landfall on the relatively flat, marshy Miskito Coast, near the Nicaragua–Honduras line.)

Don’t be shocked if both Central America and Cuba/Florida face the possibility of multiple Cat-4+ landfalls in association with 96L (future Eta).


You might just be right.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#293 Postby SFLcane » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:47 am

Just a wave axis for now.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#294 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:49 am

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#295 Postby Shell Mound » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:50 am

Aric Dunn wrote:


Unlikely.

Yes, the circulation is small and is likely being resolved improperly by certain grids. A closed low-level centre may well exist or is about to form shortly.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#296 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:07 pm

Should be upgraded to Eta. at the very least TD.

Clear as day.

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#297 Postby NDG » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:26 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:Should be upgraded to Eta. at the very least TD.

Clear as day.

https://i.ibb.co/ZL6zZcC/LABELS-19700101-000000-53.gif

https://i.ibb.co/59xwJsk/Capture.png


I was about to post the same satellite loop, very clearly an LLC, the SW inflow is also seen.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#298 Postby wxman57 » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:41 pm

Shell Mound wrote:
wxman57 wrote:The requirements for a PTC advisory are that there is a high chance of development (check) AND that the potential storm is within 48 hrs of impacting a coastal region that the NHC warns for (nope). Looks like it will reach the coast of Nicaragua Tuesday evening. Therefore, about the earliest we could expect a PTC advisory would be tomorrow late afternoon. However, if you're curious what the NHC track would look like, it would look just like the consensus model (TVCN):

http://wxman57.com/images/TVCN.JPG

Note that the TVCN indicates a significant slowdown just before landfall. 96L may well loop along the coast of Central America and not move far inland at all.

The current rate of intensification means that 96L (Eta) is less likely to move well inland before stalling, looping offshore, and eventually heading northward.

I’m already thinking this could well become a high-end Cat-4 or even low-end Cat-5 before hitting Cabo Gracias a Dios, stalling, and then entering the GoH.*

*Gulf of Honduras

(At any rate, this won’t weaken much, if at all, due to the brevity of its landfall on the relatively flat, marshy Miskito Coast, near the Nicaragua–Honduras line.)

Don’t be shocked if both Central America and Cuba/Florida face the possibility of multiple Cat-4+ landfalls in association with 96L (future Eta).


Yes, I can plot the TVCN hour-by-hour, as indicated below. I think we (forecasters) all want it to just MOVE INLAND AND DIE! (sorry for shouting) We're all ready for a break. Haven't been able to take any vacation days this summer. Myself, I accrued nearly 40 comp DAYS this summer plus I have 20 vacation days left. We are not allowed to carry either over to 2021. So, die, Eta, die! ;-)

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion

#299 Postby cycloneye » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:49 pm

100%/100%

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
200 PM EDT Sat Oct 31 2020

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

A vigorous tropical wave located over the central Caribbean Sea
continues to produce organized cloudiness and thunderstorms, and a
tropical depression appears to be forming. If this recent
development trend continues, then advisories will likely be
initiated on this disturbance this afternoon or evening while the
system moves generally westward at about 15 mph toward the western
Caribbean Sea. Interests in Jamaica, Honduras, and Nicaragua should
monitor the progress of this system. Regardless of development,
this disturbance is expected to produce heavy rainfall across
portions of Jamaica and southern Hispaniola through the weekend.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...near 100 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...near 100 percent.

$$
Forecaster Stewart/Berg
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L - Discussion: 2 PM TWO=100%

#300 Postby Wampadawg » Sat Oct 31, 2020 12:56 pm

Has it slowed down?
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