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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3281 Postby txtwister78 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:38 pm

IDK...seems like a contradiction here. Lol.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3282 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:42 pm


I'm highly Curious about the 12z CMC Ensemble Snow Totals right now, can I see the photos please?
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#3283 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:42 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3284 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:43 pm


The Difference between CMC & CMCE is Ugly!

Wxman57 may have taken Control of CMC, but not the CMCE!
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3285 Postby 3090 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:43 pm

From what I understand the GFS and the EURO are being so different because they are handling how the lobes of cold air influence the PV. That is the very basic gist of what I understand.

The GFS sees a lobe or lobes of artic air influencing the overall PV to be pulled into the central part of the US whereas the EURO does not see the lobes rotating around the mass of the PV and keeps the overall frigid air along the northern border aligned west to east.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3286 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:47 pm

The 12z Euro is getting started, has it switched with the CMC to trend colder or did the CMC join forces with Wxman57 along with the Euro model itself?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3287 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:49 pm

Rgv20 wrote:12zGFS Ensembles Valentines day Temperature Anomaly....A few members are seeing what the Euro is seeing.

https://i.imgur.com/bSsDcbP.png


That’s not a good sign imo.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3288 Postby TheProfessor » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:58 pm



When it doubt go with the ensemble outside of the short-term forecast. However, it's important to note if the ensemble has been trending warmer or not. I myself haven't looked.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3289 Postby Quixotic » Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:59 pm

3090 wrote:From what I understand the GFS and the EURO are being so different because they are handling how the lobes of cold air influence the PV. That is the very basic gist of what I understand.

The GFS sees a lobe or lobes of artic air influencing the overall PV to be pulled into the central part of the US whereas the EURO does not see the lobes rotating around the mass of the PV and keeps the overall frigid air along the northern border aligned west to east.


It’s the same story since 2015: an anomalously strong northern jet indicates a more zonal pattern rather than a blocky meridional pattern. Models are having a hard time working this out as it seems we have both the blocking and strong prevailing flow trapping the air. Weird.

If this ends up in a fail for us, I will stick to my mantra that of late, SSWs don’t really mean a whole lot for us and are overhyped. PVs in Canada don’t benefit us if they are wound up that tight.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3290 Postby dhweather » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:00 pm

Not much moisture to work with

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3291 Postby txtwister78 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:05 pm

TheProfessor wrote:


When it doubt go with the ensemble outside of the short-term forecast. However, it's important to note if the ensemble has been trending warmer or not. I myself haven't looked.


It was about the same overall from the 0z. I would say maybe a few degrees colder this run. Initial cold front made a little more progress south than what the 0z showed.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3292 Postby SnowintheFalls » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:21 pm

Even Steve McCauley's own Stat Method is struggling with this setup. :double:

"The leading edge of Arctic Air is settling in across the northern third of the United States this afternoon and will make gradual progress to the south. However, the CORE of the Arctic Air is still in Canada over a thousand miles away and is still not expected here in north Texas for several days.

It will be turning much cooler during the day Tuesday as a very shallow layer of cold air filters in from the north, but nothing drastic is expected. Unfortunately, there is still too much chaos in the atmosphere to allow a precise prediction in terms of when the COLDEST of the air will arrive and whether there will be any wintry precipitation with it when it finally gets here.

Many of you who have been looking at the various computer models over the last several days have probably noticed some wild FLIP FLOPS in their predictions lately. Even the "beloved" European Model is having GREAT DIFFICULTY trying to predict when this bitterly cold air will arrive.

The Canadian Model has been most aggressive with the Arctic Air in our area, forecasting near record lows for several days in a row beginning on Friday. But it has backed off and has done a complete 180! For example, yesterday, it was going for a HIGH TEMPERATURE of 15°F next Sunday. Now it is going for 63°F!

Numerical models are effectively USELESS beyond just a few days into the future due to the extremely HIGH CHAOS levels in the atmosphere right now. Not even the Stat Method can make any sense of what is happening.

Since chaos cannot be accurately expressed by mathematics, reliably accurate forecasts cannot be made for more than just a few days in advance. But there is cause for optimism...once the core of the Arctic Air gets into the US weather observation network, we should have a better understanding of what to expect locally."
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3293 Postby fendie » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:31 pm

12Z CMC Ensemble 6-hour precip type valid Thursday
at 6 am Central:

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12Z GFS Ensemble 6-hour precip type valid Thursday at 6 am Central:

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3294 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:33 pm

fendie wrote:12Z CMC Ensemble 6-hour precip type valid Thursday
at 6 am Central:

https://i.imgur.com/VY4NeUH.png

12Z GFS Ensemble 6-hour precip type valid Thursday at 6 am Central:

https://i.imgur.com/dz3XDXV.png

Can you do all of the Snow Totals from the CMC Ensemble?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3295 Postby fendie » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:36 pm

12Z CMC Ensemble Individual Member Snowfall totals:

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12Z GFS Ensemble Individual Member Snowfall totals:

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Note these graphics go out to 15+ days so they may include more than one storm.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3296 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:39 pm

12z Euro is coming in slightly colder for next weekend. Slowly the beginning of a cave towards the GFS?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3297 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:43 pm

fendie wrote:12Z CMC Ensemble Individual Member Snowfall totals:

https://i.imgur.com/DTF1ZfH.png[

12Z GFS Ensemble Individual Member Snowfall totals:

https://i.imgur.com/HgbrF6K.png

Note these graphics go out to 15+ days so they may include more than one storm.


CMCE Personal Favorites are only Members 3, 17, & 19.
(Members 7, 9 & 20 got close for Snow, but mostly Sleet & Ice)

GEFS Personal Favorites are Members 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 9, 13, 14, 16, 17, 20, 26, 27, 28 & 30.
(Members 15, 19, 22, 25 & 29 got close for snow, but mostly Sleet & Ice)
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3298 Postby SnowintheFalls » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:45 pm

Cpv17 wrote:12z Euro is coming in slightly colder for next weekend. Slowly the beginning of a cave towards the GFS?


Let's hope so because this has been one intense rollercoaster ride! :eek:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3299 Postby bubba hotep » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:54 pm

Welp, the model bust(s) are going to be epic this week lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3300 Postby harp » Sun Feb 07, 2021 1:57 pm

And the Euro says...???
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