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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3301 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:01 pm

harp wrote:And the Euro says...???

Snow in NW Oklahoma at the End of the Run.

EDIT: But trending colder.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3302 Postby Frank P » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:09 pm

When comparing with the 0z run the 12z EURO drives the colder air farther south..
0z run is 53 deg on Ms coast at 240 hours, 12z is colder at 41 degrees on the MS coast at the end of the run... lower by 12 degrees for my area...

https://www.pivotalweather.com/model.ph ... &dpdt=&mc=
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3303 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:14 pm

12z GFS Animation for Storm #2, #3, & System #4. :jacket:

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24-hour Kuchera Ratio snowfall :cold: :froze: :cold:

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3304 Postby txtwister78 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:21 pm

The Euro ENS and its Control are definitely more bullish on the cold.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3305 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:23 pm


It does looks like that the Euro traded with the CMC to trend colder . . .

EDIT: Speaking of Euro ENS, how are the Euro Ensembles doing in terms of total snowfall & mean snowfall?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3306 Postby SnowintheFalls » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:40 pm

So what in particular is it about this setup that is wreaking so much havoc in the models? I know the models have been known to be inconsistent but swings this drastic seem beyond crazy to me.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3307 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:44 pm

CPC is calling for a High risk for Much Below Normal Temperatures in the Midwest, Central & Southern Plains. (And into the Gulf of Mexico!)

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3308 Postby HockeyTx82 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:44 pm

Anyone know what the Fox 4 WAPP uses for the forecasts?

It's trending up and pushing off. The other day us below freezing for a few days in a row.

Is this the long range, lose it in the short, then hammer it home 2 days out?

I'm starting to think they hype is just that unfortunately
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3309 Postby Cpv17 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:51 pm



I feel kinda dumb for asking but what’s the control run? That’s not the operational?
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3310 Postby Ralph's Weather » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:52 pm

SnowintheFalls wrote:So what in particular is it about this setup that is wreaking so much havoc in the models? I know the models have been known to be inconsistent but swings this drastic seem beyond crazy to me.

I think a lot of it is models struggle with highly anomalous patterns.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3311 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:54 pm

Cpv17 wrote:


I feel kinda dumb for asking but what’s the control run? That’s not the operational?


The ECMWF Control run is basically the ECMWF (Euro) model.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3312 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:55 pm

Potentally severe Temperature bust.

Supposed to be 43°F today, it's 34°F right now. :eek:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3313 Postby vbhoutex » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:08 pm

Ralph's Weather wrote:
SnowintheFalls wrote:So what in particular is it about this setup that is wreaking so much havoc in the models? I know the models have been known to be inconsistent but swings this drastic seem beyond crazy to me.

I think a lot of it is models struggle with highly anomalous patterns.

I agree and this pattern is somewhat anomalous! Also I don't think I have ever seen the models get a good grip, at least in the Southern plains, on severe cold(very dense air)and how it "flows".
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3314 Postby wxman57 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:20 pm

Canadian has joined the GFS in saying "what front?" Canadian ensembles are calling the operational Canadian run an idiot. I now have full control of the operational Canadian. Working on the other models now. GFS operational said "no way, here it comes!". GFS ensembles say "what front?" GFS ensembles are 15-20F warmer than operational. Less ice on Canadian, but GFS freezing rain shifted to the coast.

I added the Canadian ensembles (blue dashed line):
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Considerably less freezing rain with the Canadian:
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Freezing rain shifted south to the coast with the 12Z GFS:
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3315 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:21 pm

Iceresistance wrote:Potentally severe Temperature bust.

Supposed to be 43°F today, it's 34°F right now. :eek:

We’ve busted the opposite way here right along the river. Last night was suppose to be a low in the mid 20s, it got down to 34. Today was suppose to stay cloudy and cool, it’s sunny and getting warm. I haven’t checked temps this afternoon compared to the forecast.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3316 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:23 pm

Yukon Cornelius wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:Potentally severe Temperature bust.

Supposed to be 43°F today, it's 34°F right now. :eek:

We’ve busted the opposite way here right along the river. Last night was suppose to be a low in the mid 20s, it got down to 34. Today was suppose to stay cloudy and cool, it’s sunny and getting warm. I haven’t checked temps this afternoon compared to the forecast.

It's 52°F in Petrolia, TX right now (No, I've looked up the weather there) & 51°F in Wichita Falls, TX.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3317 Postby Iceresistance » Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:29 pm

wxman57 wrote:Canadian has joined the GFS in saying "what front?" Canadian ensembles are calling the operational Canadian run an idiot. I now have full control of the operational Canadian. Working on the other models now. GFS operational said "no way, here it comes!". GFS ensembles say "what front?" GFS ensembles are 15-20F warmer than operational. Less ice on Canadian, but GFS freezing rain shifted to the coast.

I added the Canadian ensembles (blue dashed line):
http://wxman57.com/images/Models12ZFeb7.JPG

Considerably less freezing rain with the Canadian:
http://wxman57.com/images/CanadianZR12ZFeb7.JPG

Freezing rain shifted south to the coast with the 12Z GFS:
http://wxman57.com/images/GFSZR12ZFeb7.JPG

Keep in mind that the Euro trended colder across the Southern Plains, but not in Houston. The SE Ridge is Key for any chances for winter weather across the Southern Plains.
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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3318 Postby txtwister78 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:10 pm

Worth noting that some of the NCEP HIRES models bring the front in much faster than globals. Worth watching over the next day for trends.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3319 Postby Texas Snow » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:13 pm

Afternoon AFD from NWS FWD

LONG TERM... /NEW/
/Monday night onward/

The main headline of this week`s forecast is the southward expansion
of the arctic air mid-to-late week, and possibly into the
following weekend. Overall model trends have trended slightly
slower on the progression of the cold airmass. The latest NAM
slows down the first cold front (Monday night/Tuesday) somewhere
along Central TX and Brazos Valley region, which will impact our
afternoon temperatures on Tuesday. If the front stalls according
to this scenario, we will be looking at temps ranging from the low
40s along the Red River, upper 40s to low 50s across North TX,
and upper 50s to near 70s degrees across Central TX. In addition
to the temperature spread, some of the medium-range models show
the potential for light drizzle across portions of North TX on
Tuesday and again on Wednesday. For now, we opted to keep a dry
forecast due to the lack of confidence, but we will monitor the
trends and will adjust the forecast as needed.

A ridge of cold air is expected to move over the southern plains
Tuesday night and Wednesday. Ensemble clusters are showing better
agreement for the trough to remain over central/western Canada
during the mid week period, which will support the southward push
of the arctic air into the region. How far south will the cold
get? That`s still in question. At this moment, we will continue
to advertise the cold temps late week and into the weekend due to
the nature of the upper pattern. We can`t rule out the potential
for some light freezing drizzle or wintry mix late Wednesday night
into Thursday morning, but most of the precipitation is expected
to remain as cold rain. Therefore, we don`t anticipate significant
impacts with this current scenario. It also appears that there
will be enough instability for a few isolated thunderstorms to
develop along the surface boundary (especially across Central TX)
Wednesday afternoon through Thursday morning. Continue to monitor
the updates as the forecast details are refined.

If the advertised cold temperatures do arrive late week, we might be
looking at the coldest morning temperatures of the season. Wind
chill values are forecast to drop into the teens across most of
North and Central TX Friday and Saturday morning.

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Re: Texas Winter 2020-2021

#3320 Postby wxman57 » Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:24 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
The ECMWF Control run is basically the ECMWF (Euro) model.


That means that the output of the ensembles is not dependent on the resolution of the model.
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