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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#161 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed May 26, 2021 12:59 pm

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12z GFS similar to 6z but no crossover.
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#162 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 26, 2021 1:38 pm

GFS is alone on development among the operational ones.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#163 Postby aspen » Wed May 26, 2021 2:01 pm

cycloneye wrote:GFS is alone on development among the operational ones.

Seems that the Euro upgrade hasn’t totally fixed its troubles with TCG. Maybe it’ll perform better with other systems if it does indeed bust with the 0/30 and/or 0/20 AOIs
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#164 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed May 26, 2021 2:33 pm

12z ICON and CMC don't have either as an actual tropical cyclone anymore.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#165 Postby Kingarabian » Wed May 26, 2021 3:00 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:https://i.imgur.com/grj4SjP.png

https://i.imgur.com/aplFXXC.png

12z GFS similar to 6z but no crossover.


Aside from the EPAC-GOM crossover, this is probably what climo favors. More realistic compared to the runs from it and other models, that kept showing a deep TC over the open EPAC waters.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#166 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:https://i.imgur.com/grj4SjP.png

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12z GFS similar to 6z but no crossover.


Aside from the EPAC-GOM crossover, this is probably what climo favors. More realistic compared to the runs from it and other models, that kept showing a deep TC over the open EPAC waters.


Perhaps, and I'll use this chance to add on to what I was saying a few pages back. TCs over open EPAC waters early season were only really rare (west of ~105W or so) in the 2000's and considering long term AGW is likely to shift activity further west, I would not be that surprised if you told me at the start of the season that there were a couple systems of moderate/strong intensity from 110W-120W in late May/early June. Hell last year we had a TD in late April near 115W. I am skeptical of a system becoming strong at a low latitude this far east, because that's literally never happened before.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#167 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed May 26, 2021 5:19 pm

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18z GFS through 90 hour. Will upload to imgur but said site is not working atm.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#168 Postby Kingarabian » Wed May 26, 2021 5:20 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2021052618/gfs_mslpa_epac_16.png

18z GFs through 90 hour. Will upload to imgur but said site is not working atm.

https://postimages.org/ is pretty straight forward.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#169 Postby cycloneye » Wed May 26, 2021 6:17 pm

Down to 0/10 the second one and the other one remains at 0/30.

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
500 PM PDT Wed May 26 2021

For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:

1. An area of low pressure is expected to form several hundred miles
south of the coasts of Guatemala and southeastern Mexico by this
weekend. Environmental conditions appear favorable for some gradual
development of this system as it moves generally westward at 5 to 10
mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...30 percent.

2. Another area of low pressure could form several hundred miles
southwest of the coast of Mexico in a couple of days. However,
environmental conditions appear only marginally conducive for any
development as the system moves westward to west-northwestward at
5 to 10 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...10 percent.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#170 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed May 26, 2021 10:29 pm

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18z GFS finishes off with a similar track to 12z.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#171 Postby Kingarabian » Wed May 26, 2021 11:33 pm

00z development in less than 3 days. Peaks it @ 960mb while meandering it around 110W:
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#172 Postby Kingarabian » Wed May 26, 2021 11:36 pm

GFS on its own here.
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UKMET/CMC/ICON show nothing.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#174 Postby aspen » Thu May 27, 2021 12:05 pm

12z GFS has both AOIs develop into pathetically weak tropical storms.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#175 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 27, 2021 12:05 pm

The models are a mess with the ups and downs on development.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#176 Postby cycloneye » Thu May 27, 2021 12:43 pm

Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
1100 AM PDT Thu May 27 2021

For the eastern North Pacific...east of 140 degrees west longitude:

A broad area of low pressure located about a thousand miles south
of the southern tip of the Baja California peninsula is producing
disorganized shower and thunderstorm activity. Environmental
conditions appear only marginally conducive for development of this
system as it moves westward or west-northwestward at about 10 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...10 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...20 percent.

Another area of low pressure is expected to form several hundred
miles south of the coast of southeastern Mexico by this weekend.
Environmental conditions appear favorable for some gradual
development of this system as it moves generally westward at 5 to
10 mph.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 5 days...low...30 percent.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#177 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu May 27, 2021 1:57 pm

aspen wrote:12z GFS has both AOIs develop into pathetically weak tropical storms.


This is probably the most realistic outcome.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#178 Postby Kingarabian » Thu May 27, 2021 5:30 pm

I think both systems worthy of an invest tag:
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#179 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu May 27, 2021 5:48 pm

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It’s either now or never for the EPAC at least for the next month or so because the ASW is about to take over.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#180 Postby Kingarabian » Thu May 27, 2021 6:01 pm

:uarrow: I still think the EPAC can push out some systems in June, regardless of the suppressed MJO phase. The base state is more favorable compared to last year as we can tell with large periods of enhanced convection from passing tropical atmospheric waves.The ENSO forecasts from the models show Nino regions will be warming through July.
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