2021 EPAC Season

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#441 Postby Yellow Evan » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:28 am

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#442 Postby aspen » Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:59 am


Based on Eric’s chart, it seems like the Atlantic could be in good shape for TC genesis in late July and early August. In mid July, the rising branch moves away from Africa while a sinking branch moves into the MDR, which doesn’t seem good for activity there. Seems like there’ll be sinking air in the EPac too.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#443 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:47 am

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Based on Eric’s chart, it seems like the Atlantic could be in good shape for TC genesis in late July and early August. In mid July, the rising branch moves away from Africa while a sinking branch moves into the MDR, which doesn’t seem good for activity there. Seems like there’ll be sinking air in the EPac too.

Those charts don't factor in random fast moving CCKWs though.
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Kingarabian wrote:CFS supports the EPS solution of a theoretical down period for the EPAC beginning in the first week of July. However if we look at past history in the EPAC (based on this CFS hovmoller), the basin has been responding well to intraseasonal passages in forms of -CCKWs, with frequent TCG since May despite modeled out suppressed periods.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#444 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:15 pm

The most recent OISST update from www.Cyclonicwx.com shows the PDO continuing to warm.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#445 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:22 pm

Still good EPS support for the western TW to develop briefly in the next 36-48 hours before it's absorbed by 95E.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#446 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:39 pm

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#447 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:46 am

On the long range, next EPAC system is coming up on the CMC while the GFS recurves it back into CA to form some sort of CAG.

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This is also in part of a -CCKW due around that time.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#448 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Jun 25, 2021 6:36 pm

12z/18z GFS and 12z CMC are developing a system in the far eastern Pacific in about 10 days. Long range EPS support is slowly increasing.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#449 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:17 pm

Northeast Pacific (East of 180°) 5 (2.2) 7.75 (7.2) 0 (0.9) 0.00 (2.1) 0 (0.3) 0.00 (0.4) 5.4 (10.2)

Enrique should bring us above average ACE wise even for a bit.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#450 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:46 pm

Models keying in on another system in 8-12 days:

EPS(http://www.weathermodels.com) continues to show more members with development:
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Up to 20 members past the 300 hour mark.

The low pressure system could start to take shape in about 8 days but could need another 3-4 days to actually form.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#451 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:45 pm

Unless this benefits from an intermediate CCKW (I haven’t checked), I wouldn’t expect much. GFS in particular loves to develop storms in the long range when the MJO is currently in the basin only to drop them once it departs and the intraseasonal background state becomes hospitable.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#452 Postby Kingarabian » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:55 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:Unless this benefits from an intermediate CCKW (I haven’t checked), I wouldn’t expect much. GFS in particular loves to develop storms in the long range when the MJO is currently in the basin only to drop them once it departs and the intraseasonal background state becomes hospitable.

There's a weak CCKW that the EPS-Control has analyzed near the dateline, and another analyzed by the CFS and EPS-Control over the MC/WPAC. It looks to be the latter that pushes east and opens the window for development.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#453 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:14 pm

Models continue to show that there is potential for a system or two in the 7-12 day range with the time frame coming in.

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#454 Postby AlphaToOmega » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:28 pm

After Tropical Storm Enrique, I think the Eastern Pacific will become quite hostile for tropical development for a while. Sinking air is expected in the area the area throughout July and early August. What are the global models seeing?

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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#455 Postby Kingarabian » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:37 pm

AlphaToOmega wrote:After Tropical Storm Enrique, I think the Eastern Pacific will become quite hostile for tropical development for a while. Sinking air is expected in the area the area throughout July and early August. What are the global models seeing?

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Probably another CCKW.
Kingarabian wrote:CFS supports the EPS solution of a theoretical down period for the EPAC beginning in the first week of July. However if we look at past history in the EPAC (based on this CFS hovmoller), the basin has been responding well to intraseasonal passages in forms of -CCKWs, with frequent TCG since May despite modeled out suppressed periods.

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What's also possible is that the background state (which is usually seen in the averaged 90-120 day VP200 anomalies) is favorable for development despite what the intraseasonal signal is (the CFS you posted). So basically repeated robust disturbances and tropical waves crossovers, moving in from the Caribbean and into the EPAC will eventually find a pocket for development.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#456 Postby BYG Jacob » Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:18 pm

I'm grateful this season won't suck, Tucson really needs the rain
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#457 Postby Yellow Evan » Mon Jun 28, 2021 6:05 pm

 https://twitter.com/andyhazelton/status/1409641349968629769




Signal exists for a more active basin in late July.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#458 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:55 pm

Doesn't really have any model support and I expect the NHC to ignore it, but this may try to consolidate and briefly spin up once it lifts NE.

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Global's have backed off on any TC's in the next 10 days but their ensembles continue to sniff potential in the far eastern Pacific.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#459 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:18 pm

TWO is empty for the first time since May 24.
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Re: 2021 EPAC Season

#460 Postby Kingarabian » Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:45 am

00z Euro likes this area in 9-10 days:
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