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#1381 Postby hurricane2025 » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:04 pm

When was the last time upper Texas coast/SW LA. had a wet pattern in June and July like this?
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#1382 Postby AlphaToOmega » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:17 pm

SFLcane wrote:
AlphaToOmega wrote:Here is where the ITCZ is likely to be come peak season. Obviously, it is and will be much farther south this year than it was last year.
https://i.postimg.cc/BQ0Q2pYy/itcz.png


Id advise not to use precipitation from climate models to determine potential tropical cyclone tracks. I would take those forecast with caution this season as some of these models are having trouble with Atlantic El Niño and have dry bias. I for one think it probably won’t be a very high number season but more of an impactful year in terms of impacts. I will be ready in SFL as the signs are ominous from looking z500 model output. Just because an area is shaded brown doesn’t mean a tc won’t track through through there.


I have seen how badly precipitation forecasts are when it comes to cyclone tracks, but the ITCZ is not a cyclone track.
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#1383 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:25 pm

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Hmmm...
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#1384 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:30 pm

I like better the OISSTv2.

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#1385 Postby toad strangler » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:36 pm

AlphaToOmega wrote:
SFLcane wrote:
AlphaToOmega wrote:Here is where the ITCZ is likely to be come peak season. Obviously, it is and will be much farther south this year than it was last year.
https://i.postimg.cc/BQ0Q2pYy/itcz.png


Id advise not to use precipitation from climate models to determine potential tropical cyclone tracks. I would take those forecast with caution this season as some of these models are having trouble with Atlantic El Niño and have dry bias. I for one think it probably won’t be a very high number season but more of an impactful year in terms of impacts. I will be ready in SFL as the signs are ominous from looking z500 model output. Just because an area is shaded brown doesn’t mean a tc won’t track through through there.


I have seen how badly precipitation forecasts are when it comes to cyclone tracks, but the ITCZ is not a cyclone track.


Ya, any TC worth it's salt needs to leave the ITCZ umbilical cord. A ITCZ that low (should it verify) combined with recent 500mb long range maps for ASO should have everyone's attention in the SW and overall W part of the basin.
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#1386 Postby SFLcane » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:45 pm

Just give it a few weeks for sleeping giant to wake up.
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#1387 Postby AlphaToOmega » Sun Jul 18, 2021 7:48 pm

I have a strangle feeling that there might be post-season activity is this year. Is it the MJO? Is it the fact that it has been 8 years since the last post-season storm?
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#1388 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:16 pm

cycloneye wrote:I like better the OISSTv2.

https://i.imgur.com/Ir7X4oI.png


Ok so it's somewhat visible on that map too; I think the warmth near the equator is creeping a bit northward (either that or the MDR itself is warming up a bit). The MDR does not seem to be *that* anomalously cool as it was before.
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#1389 Postby Steve » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:50 pm

hurricane2025 wrote:When was the last time upper Texas coast/SW LA. had a wet pattern in June and July like this?


Not 100% sure that far west. I did see a video from Ch 4 NOLA the other day that they are already over 60”. If they get just average rainfall the rest of the year it would be 3rd all time. It was a weird and disparate set of years that were in the Top 6 - 1991, 1983, 1961, 1992, 2009, 2004. Nothing notable there in N.O. but Andrew hit near Morgan City in 1992. ‘04 was ‘04. I thought the tv report referenced 1995 as well but that might have only been to this far into the year.
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#1390 Postby AnnularCane » Sun Jul 18, 2021 9:58 pm

:uarrow: Oddly, outside of the white Christmas and the tropics, I seem to remember very little about the weather in 2004. Even local (NOLA at the time) weather, so don't remember it being overly wet. Weird.
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#1391 Postby Steve » Mon Jul 19, 2021 12:03 am

AnnularCane wrote::uarrow: Oddly, outside of the white Christmas and the tropics, I seem to remember very little about the weather in 2004. Even local (NOLA at the time) weather, so don't remember it being overly wet. Weird.


Yeah. That was the first Xmas it snowed since the 1950’s. Other events were Ivan part I (windy) and II (more rain). And then Matthew hit Cocodrie the second week of October. We got 6-8” that night too. That was back when we only had 10-15 systems a year. Haha
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#1392 Postby AlphaToOmega » Mon Jul 19, 2021 8:03 am

This seems like a favorable mid-latitude pattern for December. The season might not be over by November 30.
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#1395 Postby Stormybajan » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:20 am

Stormybajan wrote:
toad strangler wrote:No deviation in anticipated schedule as of yet

http://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1416129137698299904?s=20


Based on this, looks like we may have to wait until August 7th for activity to get going again. Elsa formed July 1st so this will be a massive break..even longer than I first thought


 https://twitter.com/AndyHazelton/status/1417084693233741824



:wink: Maybe I have predicted the magic number early :wink:
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#1396 Postby tolakram » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:23 am

Second wettest summer in Cincinnati on record. Hurricane seasons for our wettest years are all over the place.

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Of the top 5 two had significant hurricanes into Florida. Other than that there doesn't seem to be any correlation with fast or slow seasons.
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#1397 Postby NotSparta » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:50 am

AlphaToOmega wrote:This seems like a favorable mid-latitude pattern for December. The season might not be over by November 30.
https://i.postimg.cc/527Qp43Y/cansips-ashear-atl-6.png


Shear looks high everywhere but yeah perhaps we could see some sort of high-latitude system. Those are always hard to predict though
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#1398 Postby toad strangler » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:51 am

I'm not a believer in preceding seasonal precipitation records wet or dry having anything to do with heightened landfall risks come hurricane season.
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#1399 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:53 am

tolakram wrote:Second wettest summer in Cincinnati on record. Hurricane seasons for our wettest years are all over the place.

https://i.imgur.com/LhMRmqX.png

Of the top 5 two had significant hurricanes into Florida. Other than that there doesn't seem to be any correlation with fast or slow seasons.


Haha, 2013's in there...but then you look at 1928, 1932, and 1998, and oh snap.
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#1400 Postby SconnieCane » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:40 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:
tolakram wrote:Second wettest summer in Cincinnati on record. Hurricane seasons for our wettest years are all over the place.

https://i.imgur.com/LhMRmqX.png

Of the top 5 two had significant hurricanes into Florida. Other than that there doesn't seem to be any correlation with fast or slow seasons.


Haha, 2013's in there...but then you look at 1928, 1932, and 1998, and oh snap.


I think 2013 can pretty much be thrown out as an Atlantic hurricane season analog whenever it pops up, since the thing that caused it to fail was not really part of the usual suite of seasonal "predictors," correct?
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