2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
It's something that I am genuinely curious to see, but we haven't had a decently active early August (at least one with major hurricanes) in a while. The typical pattern in recent years has been for the first major hurricane to form after the August 20 bell-ringing date, but it's also (unlike seeing July Cat 4s or 5s lol) not terribly uncommon historically-speaking for early August to feature at least one major hurricane. We notably saw this with storms such as Camille, Allen, and Charley. Now whether this year breaks that kind of pattern (especially considering the cool subtropics, which I personally think would destabilize the MDR and perhaps allow for a more favorable early August than normal) is up in the air, though it certainly would be intriguing to see something like that happen.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
aspen wrote:SFLcane wrote:Folks, the shearing Tutt is likely to be no were to be found come early August. The doors are wide open for a strengthening TC.
Unless a recurving typhoon pumps up one like Malakas did in September 2020. In a VP anomaly chart in one of the tweets cycloneye posted, there looks to be a Kelvin Wave going through the WPac in the first week of August. That could trigger some WPac development, but seeing how this year has gone so far, something capable of pumping a TUTT isn’t particularly likely. Still a slim possibility.
Papin also talked about how TUTT evolution isnt something you can accurately predict on a ensemble plot 2 months in the future, simply because the scale is too small for ensembles (which are already blending in when 2 months in the future) to correctly simulate. So all of the talks about a lack or presence of TUTT is not set in stone, we wont know until we are in August.
https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1545403605150310402
https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1545406657412431873
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
The thing the models are showing is the bell ringing early for the big stuff this year, similar to 2004 but let’s hope something unforeseen happens like more of a TUTT or an unforeseen trough to recurve systems because if not this could be a blockbuster season with many hurricane landfalls but as said above unforeseen things can and sometimes do happen
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
Hurricaneman wrote:The thing the models are showing is the bell ringing early for the big stuff this year, similar to 2004 but let’s hope something unforeseen happens like more of a TUTT or an unforeseen trough to recurve systems because if not this could be a blockbuster season with many hurricane landfalls but as said above unforeseen things can and sometimes do happen
this is looking like a year that could feature the longest stretch of storms eve seen. August thru november of non stop storms is possible.
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St0rmTh0r wrote:Hurricaneman wrote:The thing the models are showing is the bell ringing early for the big stuff this year, similar to 2004 but let’s hope something unforeseen happens like more of a TUTT or an unforeseen trough to recurve systems because if not this could be a blockbuster season with many hurricane landfalls but as said above unforeseen things can and sometimes do happen
this is looking like a year that could feature the longest stretch of storms eve seen. August thru november of non stop storms is possible.
Err nothing so far has implied that so I would suggest to keep expectations in check. It might be a hyperactive season but we haven't had any indications of a record breaking season yet. A continuous stretch of storms from August to Nov would be a repeat of 2020 with May-July removed and we don't have the setup for that.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
Category5Kaiju wrote:It's something that I am genuinely curious to see, but we haven't had a decently active early August (at least one with major hurricanes) in a while. The typical pattern in recent years has been for the first major hurricane to form after the August 20 bell-ringing date, but it's also (unlike seeing July Cat 4s or 5s lol) not terribly uncommon historically-speaking for early August to feature at least one major hurricane. We notably saw this with storms such as Camille, Allen, and Charley. Now whether this year breaks that kind of pattern (especially considering the cool subtropics, which I personally think would destabilize the MDR and perhaps allow for a more favorable early August than normal) is up in the air, though it certainly would be intriguing to see something like that happen.
August is a weird month. Even some of the most active seasons have gone the first 2-3 weeks with literally nothing only to suddenly light up around the bell day, and below average seasons have had storms sprinkled through the month. It's actually uncommon to have major hurricanes the first half of August (Camille was on the 16th), and since 1960 has only happened six years, interestingly group in three years during single decade spans--something I didn't even see until I logged them.
1970: Celia (Aug 1)
1976: Belle (Aug 8)
1980: Allen (Aug 4)
1995: Felix (Aug 12)
2000: Alberto (Aug 12)
2004: Alex (Aug 5); Charley (Aug 12)
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
What worries me the most is the continuous mention of "Caribbean looks to have an active season".
https://twitter.com/dmorris9661/status/1546443728080048129
https://twitter.com/dmorris9661/status/1546443728080048129
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
The Tutt is shoved northward opening the door.
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CFS has been trending north for the last few runs for what it's worth. UKMET clearly decided to side with the EURO here, think the C3S ensembles are out soon too but those will most likely be Caribbean focused too because of the EURO and UKMET.cycloneye wrote:What worries me the most is the continuous mention of "Caribbean looks to have an active season".
https://twitter.com/dmorris9661/status/1546443728080048129
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
CFS monthly VP anomalies for August have been slowly correcting themselves more westward over the past 20 runs:

-200mb VP anomalies over the Western Indian Ocean/Eastern Africa invigorates African Easterly Waves before they enter the Atlantic basin.

-200mb VP anomalies over the Western Indian Ocean/Eastern Africa invigorates African Easterly Waves before they enter the Atlantic basin.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
cycloneye wrote:https://twitter.com/MJVentrice/status/1546479190064730112
Definite divergence in the 00z ensemble runs from today as well:


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2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
For reference, 1999 - 177 ACE & 2011 - 121 ACE
https://twitter.com/andyhazelton/status/1546475996903346178
https://twitter.com/andyhazelton/status/1546475996903346178
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
These were my replies to Andy.
https://twitter.com/CycloforumsPR/status/1546468846059520001
https://twitter.com/CycloforumsPR/status/1546476412630175746
https://twitter.com/CycloforumsPR/status/1546468846059520001
https://twitter.com/CycloforumsPR/status/1546476412630175746
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

EPAC is anomalously active right now despite unfavorable environment. Not a good sign for the Atlantic.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
skyline385 wrote:For reference, 1999 - 177 ACE & 2011 - 121 ACE
https://twitter.com/andyhazelton/status/1546475996903346178
2011 had a lot of East Coast systems too, kind of in line with what Wxman57 was thinking for this year's season.

1999 was also an East Coast favored season.

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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
USTropics wrote:CFS monthly VP anomalies for August have been slowly correcting themselves more westward over the past 20 runs:
https://i.imgur.com/mY1LkTP.gif
+200mb VP anomalies over the Western Indian Ocean/Eastern Africa invigorates African Easterly Waves before they enter the Atlantic basin.
You mean -VP200.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
USTropics wrote:CFS monthly VP anomalies for August have been slowly correcting themselves more westward over the past 20 runs:
https://i.imgur.com/mY1LkTP.gif
+200mb VP anomalies over the Western Indian Ocean/Eastern Africa invigorates African Easterly Waves before they enter the Atlantic basin.
Good catch, yea that should have been -200mb VP anomalies/large-scale rising motion over WIO/Eastern Africa.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models
zzh wrote:https://i.imgur.com/PtvAIL9.png
EPAC is anomalously active right now despite unfavorable environment. Not a good sign for the Atlantic.
What do you mean about "not a good sign for the Atlantic"?
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