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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1601 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jul 10, 2022 9:30 am

It's something that I am genuinely curious to see, but we haven't had a decently active early August (at least one with major hurricanes) in a while. The typical pattern in recent years has been for the first major hurricane to form after the August 20 bell-ringing date, but it's also (unlike seeing July Cat 4s or 5s lol) not terribly uncommon historically-speaking for early August to feature at least one major hurricane. We notably saw this with storms such as Camille, Allen, and Charley. Now whether this year breaks that kind of pattern (especially considering the cool subtropics, which I personally think would destabilize the MDR and perhaps allow for a more favorable early August than normal) is up in the air, though it certainly would be intriguing to see something like that happen.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1602 Postby skyline385 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 12:55 pm

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SFLcane wrote:Folks, the shearing Tutt is likely to be no were to be found come early August. The doors are wide open for a strengthening TC.

Unless a recurving typhoon pumps up one like Malakas did in September 2020. In a VP anomaly chart in one of the tweets cycloneye posted, there looks to be a Kelvin Wave going through the WPac in the first week of August. That could trigger some WPac development, but seeing how this year has gone so far, something capable of pumping a TUTT isn’t particularly likely. Still a slim possibility.


Papin also talked about how TUTT evolution isnt something you can accurately predict on a ensemble plot 2 months in the future, simply because the scale is too small for ensembles (which are already blending in when 2 months in the future) to correctly simulate. So all of the talks about a lack or presence of TUTT is not set in stone, we wont know until we are in August.

 https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1545403605150310402




 https://twitter.com/pppapin/status/1545406657412431873


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#1603 Postby Hurricaneman » Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:08 pm

The thing the models are showing is the bell ringing early for the big stuff this year, similar to 2004 but let’s hope something unforeseen happens like more of a TUTT or an unforeseen trough to recurve systems because if not this could be a blockbuster season with many hurricane landfalls but as said above unforeseen things can and sometimes do happen
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#1604 Postby St0rmTh0r » Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:42 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:The thing the models are showing is the bell ringing early for the big stuff this year, similar to 2004 but let’s hope something unforeseen happens like more of a TUTT or an unforeseen trough to recurve systems because if not this could be a blockbuster season with many hurricane landfalls but as said above unforeseen things can and sometimes do happen

this is looking like a year that could feature the longest stretch of storms eve seen. August thru november of non stop storms is possible.
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#1605 Postby skyline385 » Sun Jul 10, 2022 8:53 pm

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Hurricaneman wrote:The thing the models are showing is the bell ringing early for the big stuff this year, similar to 2004 but let’s hope something unforeseen happens like more of a TUTT or an unforeseen trough to recurve systems because if not this could be a blockbuster season with many hurricane landfalls but as said above unforeseen things can and sometimes do happen

this is looking like a year that could feature the longest stretch of storms eve seen. August thru november of non stop storms is possible.

Err nothing so far has implied that so I would suggest to keep expectations in check. It might be a hyperactive season but we haven't had any indications of a record breaking season yet. A continuous stretch of storms from August to Nov would be a repeat of 2020 with May-July removed and we don't have the setup for that.
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#1606 Postby Hammy » Mon Jul 11, 2022 4:06 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:It's something that I am genuinely curious to see, but we haven't had a decently active early August (at least one with major hurricanes) in a while. The typical pattern in recent years has been for the first major hurricane to form after the August 20 bell-ringing date, but it's also (unlike seeing July Cat 4s or 5s lol) not terribly uncommon historically-speaking for early August to feature at least one major hurricane. We notably saw this with storms such as Camille, Allen, and Charley. Now whether this year breaks that kind of pattern (especially considering the cool subtropics, which I personally think would destabilize the MDR and perhaps allow for a more favorable early August than normal) is up in the air, though it certainly would be intriguing to see something like that happen.


August is a weird month. Even some of the most active seasons have gone the first 2-3 weeks with literally nothing only to suddenly light up around the bell day, and below average seasons have had storms sprinkled through the month. It's actually uncommon to have major hurricanes the first half of August (Camille was on the 16th), and since 1960 has only happened six years, interestingly group in three years during single decade spans--something I didn't even see until I logged them.

1970: Celia (Aug 1)
1976: Belle (Aug 8)
1980: Allen (Aug 4)

1995: Felix (Aug 12)
2000: Alberto (Aug 12)
2004: Alex (Aug 5); Charley (Aug 12)
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#1607 Postby skyline385 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 6:56 am

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#1608 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:00 am

What worries me the most is the continuous mention of "Caribbean looks to have an active season".

 https://twitter.com/dmorris9661/status/1546443728080048129


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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1609 Postby SFLcane » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:02 am

The Tutt is shoved northward opening the door.
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#1610 Postby skyline385 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 7:11 am

cycloneye wrote:What worries me the most is the continuous mention of "Caribbean looks to have an active season".

 https://twitter.com/dmorris9661/status/1546443728080048129


CFS has been trending north for the last few runs for what it's worth. UKMET clearly decided to side with the EURO here, think the C3S ensembles are out soon too but those will most likely be Caribbean focused too because of the EURO and UKMET.

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#1611 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:38 am

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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1612 Postby USTropics » Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:16 am

CFS monthly VP anomalies for August have been slowly correcting themselves more westward over the past 20 runs:
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-200mb VP anomalies over the Western Indian Ocean/Eastern Africa invigorates African Easterly Waves before they enter the Atlantic basin.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1613 Postby USTropics » Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:27 am



Definite divergence in the 00z ensemble runs from today as well:
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#1614 Postby skyline385 » Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:52 am

For reference, 1999 - 177 ACE & 2011 - 121 ACE

 https://twitter.com/andyhazelton/status/1546475996903346178


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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1615 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:53 am

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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1616 Postby zzh » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:32 am

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EPAC is anomalously active right now despite unfavorable environment. Not a good sign for the Atlantic.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1617 Postby SoupBone » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:33 am

skyline385 wrote:For reference, 1999 - 177 ACE & 2011 - 121 ACE

https://twitter.com/andyhazelton/status/1546475996903346178


2011 had a lot of East Coast systems too, kind of in line with what Wxman57 was thinking for this year's season.

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1999 was also an East Coast favored season.

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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1618 Postby SFLcane » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:41 am

USTropics wrote:CFS monthly VP anomalies for August have been slowly correcting themselves more westward over the past 20 runs:
https://i.imgur.com/mY1LkTP.gif

+200mb VP anomalies over the Western Indian Ocean/Eastern Africa invigorates African Easterly Waves before they enter the Atlantic basin.


You mean -VP200.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1619 Postby USTropics » Mon Jul 11, 2022 11:56 am

USTropics wrote:CFS monthly VP anomalies for August have been slowly correcting themselves more westward over the past 20 runs:
https://i.imgur.com/mY1LkTP.gif

+200mb VP anomalies over the Western Indian Ocean/Eastern Africa invigorates African Easterly Waves before they enter the Atlantic basin.


Good catch, yea that should have been -200mb VP anomalies/large-scale rising motion over WIO/Eastern Africa.
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Re: 2022 Indicators (SSTs/SAL/MSLP/Shear/Steering/Instability) and >Day 16 Models

#1620 Postby cycloneye » Mon Jul 11, 2022 12:01 pm

zzh wrote:https://i.imgur.com/PtvAIL9.png
EPAC is anomalously active right now despite unfavorable environment. Not a good sign for the Atlantic.


What do you mean about "not a good sign for the Atlantic"?
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