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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#941 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:47 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Texas storm next week is Feb '21 all over again.

No, it's even worse than February 2021, I've found 20 inches NNE of College Station near I-45 between Houston and DFW.


True, i was just looking at the pattern and temps. Looks like precip for a longer period of time.

Something to note, in regards to the moisture, the change from the last run to this one was significant.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#942 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:51 pm

Note that I'm not believing the 12Z GFS for a second. Previous run for the same time had 60 for lows in Houston on Christmas. That's a 50 deg swing.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#943 Postby snowballzzz » Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:52 pm

wxman57 wrote:Note that I'm not believing the 12Z GFS for a second. Previous run for the same time had 60 for lows in Houston on Christmas. That's a 50 deg swing.


Didn't the GFS do this back and forth torch/major cold leading up to Feb 2021?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#944 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:55 pm

As Ntxw said, we are past the point if it’s going to be well below normal or not. The question is how cold…..

Ensembles are eliminating any average or above average temp members.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#945 Postby IcyTundra » Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:55 pm

EPS and GEFS are indicating temps well below normal around Christmas. Don't know how cold it will get but the pattern is favorable for extreme cold.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#946 Postby Texas Snow » Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:55 pm

snowballzzz wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Note that I'm not believing the 12Z GFS for a second. Previous run for the same time had 60 for lows in Houston on Christmas. That's a 50 deg swing.


Didn't the GFS do this back and forth torch/major cold leading up to Feb 2021?


It kept delaying the cold but kept it there. this is different in its flip flopping.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#947 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:56 pm

snowballzzz wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Note that I'm not believing the 12Z GFS for a second. Previous run for the same time had 60 for lows in Houston on Christmas. That's a 50 deg swing.


Didn't the GFS do this back and forth torch/major cold leading up to Feb 2021?


The point is, we're seeing major run to run differences on a forecast two weeks out. Be careful what you believe.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#948 Postby CaptinCrunch » Mon Dec 12, 2022 12:58 pm

wxman57 wrote:Note that I'm not believing the 12Z GFS for a second. Previous run for the same time had 60 for lows in Houston on Christmas. That's a 50 deg swing.
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I don't believe in any model outside of 72hrs :wink:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#949 Postby wxman57 » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:07 pm

Just for fun, here's a meteogram for Houston (IAH) from the 12Z run compared to the 6Z run. See if you can spot any difference.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#950 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:12 pm

FYI the AO went to -4 this month and may see a second dip closer to -5 or below. The last time -5 or below was Feb 2021.

On top of that there is strong correlation very low -AO in December continues into January and especially February.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#951 Postby MGC » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:22 pm

LOL at 12Z GFS.....below zero almost all the way to the GOM in western La....this would challenge the 1899 cold snap.....MGC
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#952 Postby IcyTundra » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:29 pm

With my luck this potential winter event would be mostly freezing rain and sleet. Hoping for more of a 2004 Christmas eve type event.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#953 Postby TropicalTundra » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:35 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:12z CMC is 1983 HP dome and cold :lol:. 1065 in Montana and single digits dropping into TX.

12z GFS snows across TX.


Good!! Sounds wonderful to me!


GFS has single digits in Houston and negatives in Louisiana Christmas Eve + Day :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#954 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:36 pm

Euro has the look it might unload, lots of cold up north. I think the runs sending it east into the blocks yesterday is correcting.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#955 Postby harp » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:38 pm

TropicalTundra wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:12z CMC is 1983 HP dome and cold :lol:. 1065 in Montana and single digits dropping into TX.

12z GFS snows across TX.


Good!! Sounds wonderful to me!


GFS has single digits in Houston and negatives in Louisiana Christmas Eve + Day :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#956 Postby txtwister78 » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:44 pm

While the GFS operational has done some massive flips and flops over the past several days (no question about that), the ensembles have not. This includes the Canadian and Euro ENS. I think it's important to recognize that and so while we may see a few more days of wild swings being that we're still 7-8 days out as it relates to the operationals, the consistency with the ensembles is such that there can be no doubt about what is on the table.

The winter precip threat is a different discussion and I think that won't really come into play until we start getting into that 3 day window. Buckle up folks and let's enjoy the ride.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#957 Postby harp » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:46 pm

harp wrote:
TropicalTundra wrote:
Cpv17 wrote:
Good!! Sounds wonderful to me!


GFS has single digits in Houston and negatives in Louisiana Christmas Eve + Day :lol:

That would be a disaster for south Louisiana AND Texas.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#958 Postby Iceresistance » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:49 pm

1065+ (Run is not finished) mb Arctic HP on the 12z Euro
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#959 Postby Ntxw » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:56 pm

Iceresistance wrote:1065+ (Run is not finished) mb Arctic HP on the 12z Euro


1068 with a dual HP center in NW Canada 1065mb.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#960 Postby cheezyWXguy » Mon Dec 12, 2022 1:57 pm

harp wrote:
harp wrote:
TropicalTundra wrote:
GFS has single digits in Houston and negatives in Louisiana Christmas Eve + Day :lol:

That would be a disaster for south Louisiana AND Texas.

Should be noted that those temps shown are enhanced by feedback loops created by several inches or more of snow/ice accumulation that the model tries to take into account. If this airmass were to come down as depicted, but with no precip, temps would still be very cold but not that extreme.
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