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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1921 Postby SnowintheFalls » Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:02 pm

Ntxw wrote:In case you were wondering the highest modern times prior was 2021's 1058mb over land in NW Canada just before the plunge.

https://i.imgur.com/ivqIgQE.gif


Would this have an impact on bringing snow to Texas or extreme cold?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1922 Postby txtwister78 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:03 pm

Another one for this region in about a month

 https://twitter.com/NWSMidland/status/1603901070660468739


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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1923 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 16, 2022 7:10 pm

SnowintheFalls wrote:
Ntxw wrote:In case you were wondering the highest modern times prior was 2021's 1058mb over land in NW Canada just before the plunge.

https://i.imgur.com/ivqIgQE.gif


Would this have an impact on bringing snow to Texas or extreme cold?


Cold.

FW put out a graphic recently. Could probably shave 5-10 degrees off this easily.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1924 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:08 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1925 Postby Cpv17 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:09 pm

Ntxw wrote:
SnowintheFalls wrote:
Ntxw wrote:In case you were wondering the highest modern times prior was 2021's 1058mb over land in NW Canada just before the plunge.

https://i.imgur.com/ivqIgQE.gif


Would this have an impact on bringing snow to Texas or extreme cold?


Cold.

FW put out a graphic recently. Could probably shave 5-10 degrees off this easily.

https://i.imgur.com/f6mXIKW.png


I’m thinking Dallas will make a push for 5°F and 15°F for Houston.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1926 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:37 pm

While we wait for the 0z models a fun read of a much forgotten late December cold blast few talk about. December 1929. Hillsboro holds the state record for 26" snowfall in 24 hours. Not much is said about this event and maps for it are hard to find even in reanalysis. But even a slight +PNA ridge didn't stop it!

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This is the best I could pull from the 20c reanalysis.

Pattern leading up the the event.

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The event

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1927 Postby Cpv17 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:51 pm

Ntxw wrote:While we wait for the 0z models a fun read of a much forgotten late December cold blast few talk about. December 1929. Hillsboro holds the state record for 26" snowfall in 24 hours. Not much is said about this event and maps for it are hard to find even in reanalysis. But even a slight +PNA ridge didn't stop it!

https://i.imgur.com/MyHS2qJ.png

This is the best I could pull from the 20c reanalysis.

Pattern leading up the the event.

https://i.imgur.com/4LKQWH1.png

The event

https://i.imgur.com/yJ7XC1z.png

https://i.imgur.com/daTJXtD.png


Check out this one from 1895:

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1928 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 16, 2022 8:58 pm

Cpv17 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:While we wait for the 0z models a fun read of a much forgotten late December cold blast few talk about. December 1929. Hillsboro holds the state record for 26" snowfall in 24 hours. Not much is said about this event and maps for it are hard to find even in reanalysis. But even a slight +PNA ridge didn't stop it!

https://i.imgur.com/MyHS2qJ.png

This is the best I could pull from the 20c reanalysis.

Pattern leading up the the event.

https://i.imgur.com/4LKQWH1.png

The event

https://i.imgur.com/yJ7XC1z.png

https://i.imgur.com/daTJXtD.png


Check out this one from 1895:

https://i.postimg.cc/zfxTLRz0/607-B26-F1-E18-F-4-F6-A-86-EC-7-B6-F73-E24-A3-E.png


Despite what we say about the PNA as a trend, +PNA is somewhat good for the coast near the gulf. Some of the biggest events are +PNA. 1895 was +PNA with west based -NAO a similar upcoming period post Christmas. This is what January 2018 was, huge central Canada ridge shoved everything way south. Get a system to go and make it's own cold. Of course would need some cold air involved as well but it was a big block back then.

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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1929 Postby Wntrwthrguy » Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:14 pm

Any idea what we should expect to see on the 0z runs? Should we expect westward trend to continue? Anything we should watch for that would increase precip chances?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1930 Postby BrokenGlass » Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:14 pm

Any chance of a temp bust for Monday?


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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1931 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 16, 2022 9:17 pm

Wntrwthrguy wrote:Any idea what we should expect to see on the 0z runs? Should we expect westward trend to continue? Anything we should watch for that would increase precip chances?


Would expect another slight shift west from the GFS. The more cold it finally sees to dump into the trough the further south and west the system will go.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1932 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:09 pm

I forget, does anyone know the time on when the 0z ICON starts?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1933 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:11 pm

Iceresistance wrote:I forget, does anyone know the time on when the 0z ICON starts?


It started.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1934 Postby Brent » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:12 pm

The OKC TV met(and not Mike Morgan or his station :spam: ) just posted the chances of a White Christmas are increasing :double:

That's even more interesting when you consider as of now the better snow is north and east of OKC
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1935 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:16 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:I forget, does anyone know the time on when the 0z ICON starts?


It started.

Ah yes, let's see what King ICON can do.
I also was very much "Meh" on the ICON until February 2021.

Current WPC Analysis has 1058 mb in Alaska, this HP is no joke.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1936 Postby mcallum177 » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:21 pm

The current temp in Fort Yukon is -31 which looks about on par with all the op models for about 00z Saturday. Or am I reading that wrong?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1937 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:30 pm

0z ICON has already trended WAY colder compared to 12z and 18z.

EDIT: I will admit that the 0z ICON is being weird right now.
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1938 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:33 pm

Iceresistance wrote:0z ICON has already trended WAY colder compared to 12z and 18z.


But it is also different than the 12z run and sends a TPV lobe to Ontario?
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1939 Postby Iceresistance » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:35 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:0z ICON has already trended WAY colder compared to 12z and 18z.


But it is also different than the 12z run and sends a TPV lobe to Ontario?

I've also noticed that, hopefully it's just an outlier (being weird as well) and not the beginning of a trend for other models to follow. That would be annoying!

UPDATE: Nope! It still comes in with the cold and snow! Not the definition of a "Blue Norther" but still nasty cold!
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Re: Texas Winter 2022-2023

#1940 Postby Ntxw » Fri Dec 16, 2022 10:38 pm

Iceresistance wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
Iceresistance wrote:0z ICON has already trended WAY colder compared to 12z and 18z.


But it is also different than the 12z run and sends a TPV lobe to Ontario?

I've also noticed that, hopefully it's just an outlier (being weird as well) and not the beginning of a trend for other models to follow. That would be annoying!

UPDATE: Nope! It still comes in with the cold and snow! Not the definition of a "Blue Norther" but still nasty cold!


Splits the energy. Still cold by the sheer mass of the HP but technically is a faster solution. More wonky moves :lol:.
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