2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#301 Postby cycloneye » Wed Feb 14, 2024 5:28 pm

Oh my, waters warm like July, but is only Febuary.

 https://twitter.com/MichaelRLowry/status/1757892634083758452


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#302 Postby WiscoWx02 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 7:42 pm



I doubt it honestly. Caribbean cruisers seem to be a thing of the past, can’t recall the last time we had one, think 2007? I’ve often times wondered if our changing climate has anything to do with it but can’t really see how it would but I’m still not sold our changing climate is making the Atlantic more favorable, I ultimately think it will do the opposite and maybe a lack of Caribbean Sea activity is a by product?
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#303 Postby WeatherBoy2000 » Wed Feb 14, 2024 8:45 pm

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I doubt it honestly. Caribbean cruisers seem to be a thing of the past, can’t recall the last time we had one, think 2007? I’ve often times wondered if our changing climate has anything to do with it but can’t really see how it would but I’m still not sold our changing climate is making the Atlantic more favorable, I ultimately think it will do the opposite and maybe a lack of Caribbean Sea activity is a by product?


There was a study by I think Klotzbach that analyzed the overall trend in tropical activity across all basins since the 80s and the Atlantic is the only one that showed an appreciable uptrend. Basins like the Wpac have been down trending. How much of this is due to climate age or the amo is up in the air, but since 2016 the only season that failed to achieve at least 130 ace was 2022. So far, I think climate change has been more favorable than not for Atlantic activity.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#304 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Wed Feb 14, 2024 9:33 pm

WeatherBoy2000 wrote:
WiscoWx02 wrote:
DorkyMcDorkface wrote:Cruiser time? Been a while...


I doubt it honestly. Caribbean cruisers seem to be a thing of the past, can’t recall the last time we had one, think 2007? I’ve often times wondered if our changing climate has anything to do with it but can’t really see how it would but I’m still not sold our changing climate is making the Atlantic more favorable, I ultimately think it will do the opposite and maybe a lack of Caribbean Sea activity is a by product?


There was a study by I think Klotzbach that analyzed the overall trend in tropical activity across all basins since the 80s and the Atlantic is the only one that showed an appreciable uptrend. Basins like the Wpac have been down trending. How much of this is due to climate age or the amo is up in the air, but since 2016 the only season that failed to achieve at least 130 ace was 2022. So far, I think climate change has been more favorable than not for Atlantic activity.

I think this is the study you're referring to, although it wasn't by Klotzbach. I remember reading it a while back:
Detected climatic change in global distribution of tropical cyclones

This is the graphic from that study I've seen make the rounds a lot regarding what you're alluding to:
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#305 Postby zzzh » Wed Feb 14, 2024 10:59 pm

 https://twitter.com/burgwx/status/1757603130735317141



Models suddenly flipped to +NAO, that would erode some canary current warmth.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#306 Postby DioBrando » Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:07 am

WiscoWx02 wrote:


I doubt it honestly. Caribbean cruisers seem to be a thing of the past, can’t recall the last time we had one, think 2007?


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#307 Postby JetFuel_SE » Thu Feb 15, 2024 7:52 am

DioBrando wrote:
WiscoWx02 wrote:
DorkyMcDorkface wrote:Cruiser time? Been a while...


I doubt it honestly. Caribbean cruisers seem to be a thing of the past, can’t recall the last time we had one, think 2007?


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Irma was certainly not a CC lol.
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#308 Postby Category5Kaiju » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:11 am

JetFuel_SE wrote:
DioBrando wrote:
WiscoWx02 wrote:
I doubt it honestly. Caribbean cruisers seem to be a thing of the past, can’t recall the last time we had one, think 2007?


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Irma was certainly not a CC lol.


In a certain sense though, we could count Matthew, Eta, and Iota? But yeah, it's been a while since a major hurricane entered the ECAR and went all the way to the WCAR while maintaining such strength or even getting stronger
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#309 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Thu Feb 15, 2024 8:17 am

JetFuel_SE wrote:
DioBrando wrote:
WiscoWx02 wrote:
I doubt it honestly. Caribbean cruisers seem to be a thing of the past, can’t recall the last time we had one, think 2007?


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Irma was certainly not a CC lol.

I guess there's technically no set criteria for a Caribbean Cruiser since it's an informal term but I think the most widely accepted definition is a TC which traverses the length of the Caribbean almost entirely as a hurricane. Irma went N of the Caribbean and passed over the Northern Leewards instead, so it would not meet those conditions.
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#310 Postby TheWisestofAll » Thu Feb 15, 2024 9:08 am

Category5Kaiju wrote:
JetFuel_SE wrote:
DioBrando wrote:
Irma says hi

Irma was certainly not a CC lol.


In a certain sense though, we could count Matthew, Eta, and Iota? But yeah, it's been a while since a major hurricane entered the ECAR and went all the way to the WCAR while maintaining such strength or even getting stronger

There aren't that many Caribbean Cruisers in the historical record to begin with. Most years don't see one, and the ones that do usually only feature one. I think there's some conflating going on with general Caribbean MH activity and actual legit Cruisers that come in from the open MDR.
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#311 Postby SFLcane » Thu Feb 15, 2024 10:37 am

Enso related but thought i would post here since its about the Atantic hurricane season.

 https://x.com/hurricanetrack/status/1758145820627464686


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#312 Postby cycloneye » Thu Feb 15, 2024 1:28 pm

JB has his analogs 1998,2005,2017 and 2020 for the 2024 season and continues with his 25-30 numbers.

 https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/1758188861769822334




 https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/1758189322195390732


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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#313 Postby CyclonicFury » Thu Feb 15, 2024 2:29 pm

2021 had Hurricane Grace which could be considered a "Caribbean Cruiser" even though it was very weak for most of its path through the Caribbean. I don't think we can say Caribbean cruisers are a "thing of the past", but we are overdue for a hurricane that traverses the entire Caribbean at hurricane strength. To get one you need strong ridging and a well developed hurricane before the Lesser Antilles which just hasn't happened often. That would be most likely to occur during August, which hasn't seen a lot of intense deep tropics hurricanes in recent years. We've seen plenty of Cape Verde type hurricanes in recent years but most of them recurved because they formed in September when ridging is usually weaker.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#314 Postby cycloneye » Thu Feb 15, 2024 4:27 pm

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#315 Postby TheWisestofAll » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:17 am

cycloneye wrote:JB has his analogs 1998,2005,2017 and 2020 for the 2024 season and continues with his 25-30 numbers.

https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/1758188861769822334

https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/1758189322195390732

Why is it only this site that has CFS going +PDO? Literally nothing else has it developing, even the CFS on other sites and used officially in the CPC ENSO reports do not forecast a +PDO. What is going on here?
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#316 Postby DorkyMcDorkface » Fri Feb 16, 2024 9:32 am

TheWisestofAll wrote:
cycloneye wrote:JB has his analogs 1998,2005,2017 and 2020 for the 2024 season and continues with his 25-30 numbers.

https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/1758188861769822334

https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/1758189322195390732

Why is it only this site that has CFS going +PDO? Literally nothing else has it developing, even the CFS on other sites and used officially in the CPC ENSO reports do not forecast a +PDO. What is going on here?

Additionally the Niña depicted there looks more CP-based, which also isn't showing up on any other guidance as far as I'm concerned.
For reference this is the most recent CFS run on TT for ASO:

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#317 Postby Blown Away » Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:01 am

cycloneye wrote:JB has his analogs 1998,2005,2017 and 2020 for the 2024 season and continues with his 25-30 numbers.
https://twitter.com/BigJoeBastardi/status/1758188861769822334


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#318 Postby cycloneye » Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:29 am

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#319 Postby cycloneye » Fri Feb 16, 2024 11:54 am

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability, (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#320 Postby WeatherBoy2000 » Fri Feb 16, 2024 12:43 pm

Looks like sst anomalies will finally level off and decline at least a bit as we went enter the second half of February due to a developing +NAO. I won't be surprised it's just another temporary blip, like with the previous +NAO phases recently.

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