2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1341 Postby Teban54 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:04 am

tolakram wrote:Not an indicator but not sure where to drop these overview loops.

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The Atlantic, 2024: SAL? What?
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1342 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:18 am

Teban54 wrote:
tolakram wrote:Not an indicator but not sure where to drop these overview loops.

https://i.imgur.com/RFM1OXp.gif

The Atlantic, 2024: SAL? What?


Beryl: spits in the face of climatology
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#1343 Postby FireRat » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:40 am

tolakram wrote:June 30th, crazy scene
https://i.imgur.com/s0v2VuF.png


Might as well be August 30th :double:
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#1344 Postby NotSparta » Sun Jun 30, 2024 5:47 pm

Category 4 hurricane in the MDR before June is even over is about as reliable a signal as you can get for a hyperactive season. All those super aggressive ones everyone has made are certainly looking good right now
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#1345 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sun Jun 30, 2024 6:42 pm

At this point, assuming Beryl for whatever reason fails to achieve it, I'm expecting this season to produce several Category 5 hurricanes.

We've had hyperactive years (1995, 1999, 2010, and 2020 as examples) that didn't feature a single Category 5 hurricane. We've had hyperactive years (2003 and 2004 as examples) that featured one Category 5.

I genuinely believe this season will produce multiple Category 5 hurricanes, possibly even 3 or more. I can't believe I'm saying this, but here we go.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1346 Postby Teban54 » Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:59 pm

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#1347 Postby LarryWx » Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:51 pm

Total # of NS through July 1st (excluding NS before May 1):

2024: 3 with small chance for 4 due to 96L
2023: 3
2022: 3
2021: 5
2020: 4
2019: 1
2018: 1
2017: 2
2016: 3
2015: 2
2014: 1
2013: 2
2012: 4
2011: 1
2010: 1
2009: 0
2008: 1
2007: 2
2006: 1
2005: 2
2004: 0
2003: 1
2002: 0
2001: 1
2000: 0
1999: 1
1998: 0
1997: 2
1996: 1
1995: 1

AVG 1995-2023: 1.5

So, going back to 1995, only 2021, 2020, and 2012 had a higher #.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1348 Postby Chris90 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:13 am

Beryl is about the biggest warning shot you can possibly get for a hyperactive season. She has broken records from 1933 AND 2005.
Broke record for farthest east hurricane so early in the season, a title previously held by the 1933 Trinidad hurricane.
Broke record for earliest Category 4 hurricane in a season, a title previously held by Hurricane Dennis from 2005.

While 2020 holds record for storm count, 1933 and 2005 really are in a league of their own when it comes to intensity and ACE. I would honestly be surprised if 2024 doesn't manage to exceed 200 ACE.

August 20th is weeks away, but the bell is probably already rung. 1933 stayed active from June-October and 2005 stayed productive too. Most intense activity will almost assuredly occur during ASO like those seasons, but it wouldn't surprise me if July manages to produce another major.

The storm I've been thinking about recently is Lee and what he managed to pull off during a niño year. Some of those model runs were indicating a sub-900mb peak. I wonder if we'll see an open Atlantic CV hurricane go sub-900 this year now that a cool ENSO regime is taking over and giving the ATL a boost that Lee didn't have last year.
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#1349 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:43 am

Chris90 wrote:Beryl is about the biggest warning shot you can possibly get for a hyperactive season. She has broken records from 1933 AND 2005.
Broke record for farthest east hurricane so early in the season, a title previously held by the 1933 Trinidad hurricane.
Broke record for earliest Category 4 hurricane in a season, a title previously held by Hurricane Dennis from 2005.

While 2020 holds record for storm count, 1933 and 2005 really are in a league of their own when it comes to intensity and ACE. I would honestly be surprised if 2024 doesn't manage to exceed 200 ACE.

August 20th is weeks away, but the bell is probably already rung. 1933 stayed active from June-October and 2005 stayed productive too. Most intense activity will almost assuredly occur during ASO like those seasons, but it wouldn't surprise me if July manages to produce another major.

The storm I've been thinking about recently is Lee and what he managed to pull off during a niño year. Some of those model runs were indicating a sub-900mb peak. I wonder if we'll see an open Atlantic CV hurricane go sub-900 this year now that a cool ENSO regime is taking over and giving the ATL a boost that Lee didn't have last year.


It would really be something if we see a sub-900 storm. Only 5 have occurred since records started, with 2 of them from 2005.
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#1350 Postby WeatherBoy2000 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:03 am

Even though most people are paying attention to Beryl, the Jul Cansip is out. Noticeable difference in the precip anomalies with this month's run compared to last month's for ASO. Lower in the eastern gulf and SE US, and higher for CA/Mexico/Texas. There's also more of a far east recurve signal as well:

This month:
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Last month:
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#1351 Postby MetroMike » Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:04 pm

WeatherBoy2000 wrote:Even though most people are paying attention to Beryl, the Jul Cansip is out. Noticeable difference in the precip anomalies with this month's run compared to last month's for ASO. Lower in the eastern gulf and SE US, and higher for CA/Mexico/Texas. There's also more of a far east recurve signal as well:

This month:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/cansips/2024070100/cansips_apcpna_multimonth_atl_2.png

Last month:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/cansips/2024060100/cansips_apcpna_multimonth_atl_3.png



Just when the experts think they had seasons overall pattern trends figured out the Cansip shows us not so fast. Unless the thinking for Oct to have many re curves rather skews the overall map. By then the MDR season is pretty much over.
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#1352 Postby IcyTundra » Mon Jul 01, 2024 5:41 pm

WeatherBoy2000 wrote:Even though most people are paying attention to Beryl, the Jul Cansip is out. Noticeable difference in the precip anomalies with this month's run compared to last month's for ASO. Lower in the eastern gulf and SE US, and higher for CA/Mexico/Texas. There's also more of a far east recurve signal as well:

This month:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/cansips/2024070100/cansips_apcpna_multimonth_atl_2.png

Last month:
https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/cansips/2024060100/cansips_apcpna_multimonth_atl_3.png


Slightly misleading if you just look at the ASO plots. Mostly skewed by the large below average precipitation area in the Gulf during October.
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) July CanSIPS run up

#1353 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Jul 01, 2024 9:57 pm

We're doomed. :eek: :lol:
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) July CanSIPS run up

#1354 Postby tiger_deF » Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:00 pm

I think we will see a lull for a few weeks after Beryl, in thanks to the enormous SAL outbreak spurred on by the climatological peak and storms coming off of higher latitudes from the Sahara. That being said, once we truly enter the peak all bets are off. It only takes one…
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) July CanSIPS run up

#1355 Postby Category5Kaiju » Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:31 pm

tiger_deF wrote:I think we will see a lull for a few weeks after Beryl, in thanks to the enormous SAL outbreak spurred on by the climatological peak and storms coming off of higher latitudes from the Sahara. That being said, once we truly enter the peak all bets are off. It only takes one…


Ngl, I wouldn't be surprised if the Atlantic decides to crank out another powerhouse, impactful Cape Verde hurricane by the end of this month. Kind of basing this off of the weirdo wacko storm that Beryl is, as well as how 2005 produced a Category 5 once every month from July to October (interestingly, near the ends of each month too).
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#1356 Postby Teban54 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:59 pm

Totally normal seasonal timeline:
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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models) July CanSIPS run up

#1357 Postby CrazyC83 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:03 pm

tiger_deF wrote:I think we will see a lull for a few weeks after Beryl, in thanks to the enormous SAL outbreak spurred on by the climatological peak and storms coming off of higher latitudes from the Sahara. That being said, once we truly enter the peak all bets are off. It only takes one…


That may only keep storms in check and not prevent waves from developing. We might go through several names there, only to have them dissipate quickly (or have to wait until near land).
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#1358 Postby chaser1 » Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:55 am

Chris90 wrote:Beryl is about the biggest warning shot you can possibly get for a hyperactive season. She has broken records from 1933 AND 2005.
Broke record for farthest east hurricane so early in the season, a title previously held by the 1933 Trinidad hurricane.
Broke record for earliest Category 4 hurricane in a season, a title previously held by Hurricane Dennis from 2005.

While 2020 holds record for storm count, 1933 and 2005 really are in a league of their own when it comes to intensity and ACE. I would honestly be surprised if 2024 doesn't manage to exceed 200 ACE.

August 20th is weeks away, but the bell is probably already rung. 1933 stayed active from June-October and 2005 stayed productive too. Most intense activity will almost assuredly occur during ASO like those seasons, but it wouldn't surprise me if July manages to produce another major.

The storm I've been thinking about recently is Lee and what he managed to pull off during a niño year. Some of those model runs were indicating a sub-900mb peak. I wonder if we'll see an open Atlantic CV hurricane go sub-900 this year now that a cool ENSO regime is taking over and giving the ATL a boost that Lee didn't have last year.


Isaac just called looking for his weak little sister (Beryl) :double:
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#1359 Postby zzzh » Tue Jul 02, 2024 2:27 am

Current Atlantic ace ranks 3rd since 1951, trailing 1951 (had a long lived subtropical hu), 1966 (had a major hurricane in the Gulf), it should be #1 tomorrow if those c5 wind maintains :D .
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#1360 Postby tolakram » Tue Jul 02, 2024 7:13 am

Teban54 wrote:Totally normal seasonal timeline:
https://i.postimg.cc/66VmXmWr/image.png


A good example of why purple is not a good color for cat 5. Where's hink?
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