2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

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Re: 2024 Indicators: SST's, MSLP, Shear, SAL, Steering, Instability (Day 16+ Climate Models)

#2541 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:47 pm

Genuinely the weirdest season I've ever tracked :lol:

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#2542 Postby toad strangler » Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:56 pm

weeniepatrol wrote:Genuinely the weirdest season I've ever tracked :lol:

https://i.imgur.com/e1xGUBJ.png


This track would be one for the books
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#2543 Postby weeniepatrol » Fri Oct 04, 2024 10:17 pm

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All metrics above-average or soon to be. ACE will be above-average again tomorrow.
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#2544 Postby kevin » Sat Oct 05, 2024 8:20 am

With 92L, Kirk and Leslie there is a possibility that soon we'll (for a little time) have 3 hurricanes in the Atlantic at the same time. The last time this happened was in 2020 when Paulette, Sally and Teddy were at hurricane strength at the same time for a few hours.

I've checked it manually so I don't have 100% certainty, but to make the stat even crazier: this feat has never been achieved in the month of October (at least since 1851). 1878 and 2000 both came quite close (2000 missed it by 1.5 days and 1878 only by half a day).
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#2545 Postby Hypercane_Kyle » Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:05 am

kevin wrote:With 92L, Kirk and Leslie there is a possibility that soon we'll (for a little time) have 3 hurricanes in the Atlantic at the same time. The last time this happened was in 2020 when Paulette, Sally and Teddy were at hurricane strength at the same time for a few hours.

I've checked it manually so I don't have 100% certainty, but to make the stat even crazier: this feat has never been achieved in the month of October (at least since 1851). 1878 and 2000 both came quite close (2000 missed it by 1.5 days and 1878 only by half a day).


Not surprised 2024 will check that metric off. Climatology is irrelevant at this point; it's clear the conditions in the Atlantic are more like something you'd usually see in late-August/early-September.
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#2546 Postby kevin » Sat Oct 05, 2024 9:09 am

Hypercane_Kyle wrote:
kevin wrote:With 92L, Kirk and Leslie there is a possibility that soon we'll (for a little time) have 3 hurricanes in the Atlantic at the same time. The last time this happened was in 2020 when Paulette, Sally and Teddy were at hurricane strength at the same time for a few hours.

I've checked it manually so I don't have 100% certainty, but to make the stat even crazier: this feat has never been achieved in the month of October (at least since 1851). 1878 and 2000 both came quite close (2000 missed it by 1.5 days and 1878 only by half a day).


Not surprised 2024 will check that metric off. Climatology is irrelevant at this point; it's clear the conditions in the Atlantic are more like something you'd usually see in late-August/early-September.


Yes it's insane, with the exception of 2023 the average SSTs in the North Atlantic right now are still higher than the season-wide SST peak of any other year since 1981.
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#2547 Postby Category5Kaiju » Sat Oct 05, 2024 12:42 pm

Between Debby, Helene, and now Milton, this feels like 2004 except it’s exclusively the west coast of Florida that is under the gun.
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#2548 Postby aspen » Sat Oct 05, 2024 1:05 pm

weeniepatrol wrote:https://i.imgur.com/HpwdFeB.png

All metrics above-average or soon to be. ACE will be above-average again tomorrow.

One heck of a comeback after the late August-early September shutdown. Looks like we’ll probably end up with 14-17 NS, 9-11 H, 4-5 MH, and 110-135 ACE, depending on how the season post-Milton goes.
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#2550 Postby weeniepatrol » Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:14 pm

Yeah alright. With Milton now a thing I'm tapped out. Season can end now. You've made your point, Atlantic. This is extremely uncomfortable...
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#2551 Postby Hammy » Sat Oct 05, 2024 6:24 pm



Making my 2018 comparison a month and a half ago extremely unsettling
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#2552 Postby Beef Stew » Sat Oct 05, 2024 7:31 pm



There's a chance that we might have three simultaneous hurricanes from these storms as well.
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#2553 Postby Hurricane2022 » Sun Oct 06, 2024 12:50 pm

bro thinks it's september 6 lol :lol:
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#2554 Postby kevin » Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:09 pm

Hurricane2022 wrote:bro thinks it's september 6 lol :lol:
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There we have our 3 simultaneous hurricanes for the 1st time since Paulette, Sally, Teddy in 2020. And for the first time in October since the database started in 1851.
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#2555 Postby WaveBreaking » Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:11 pm

Damn. Imagine how much worse this season could’ve been had that dead period never happened. So many of those failed waves were on the right track to affecting land in the West Atlantic if they ever developed.
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#2556 Postby WeatherBoy2000 » Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:33 pm

The Atlantic hurricane season is now above average on pretty much all metrics except for named storm days: https://tropical.atmos.colostate.edu/Realtime/

9+ hurricanes within one season is the most since 2020 which had a near record breaking 14.
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#2557 Postby Steve » Sun Oct 06, 2024 1:48 pm

WaveBreaking wrote:Damn. Imagine how much worse this season could’ve been had that dead period never happened. So many of those failed waves were on the right track to affecting land in the West Atlantic if they ever developed.


Gonna come back to the MJO which in a week will be back in the unfavorable phases we saw during peak season. Only the bias-corrected Australian model (bomm) wants to hint at another go-round last week of the month.
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/ ... bomm.shtml
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#2558 Postby Ubuntwo » Sun Oct 06, 2024 2:35 pm

WaveBreaking wrote:Damn. Imagine how much worse this season could’ve been had that dead period never happened. So many of those failed waves were on the right track to affecting land in the West Atlantic if they ever developed.

The MJO coming into phase in late Sept/early Oct rather than earlier, plus the high ITCZ position, is what allowed this late flurry of activity. I suspect that it was one or the other for activity. Without the conditions permitting the dead period, the environment may not have been as favorable this time of year.
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#2559 Postby Teban54 » Sun Oct 06, 2024 3:17 pm

 https://x.com/philklotzbach/status/1842988125708263810



 https://x.com/philklotzbach/status/1842987587801366582




For the record, the entire October-November 2020 -- one of the most active late seasons on record -- "only" had 6 hurricanes. 2024 just had 5 hurricanes in the last 12 days, although the quality is currently less than 2020's two months (5 out of 6 in 2020 became majors, while 2024 will likely end up with 3 out of 5).
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#2560 Postby Stormybajan » Sun Oct 06, 2024 4:05 pm

This is the strangest season in recent memory lmao, On fire, in the mud, then on fire again (Thank you Northern ITCZ I guessss) :roll: this is definitely has to be a top 5 ACE producing 24 hours in October ...Im sure someone has the stats for specific ACE days!
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