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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#641 Postby Brent » Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:27 pm

This is the entire post from Ponder weather btw(DFW based so no east coast crap). There's another post from a Denver page talking about a big pattern change around New Year's

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#642 Postby Throckmorton » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:22 pm

Brent wrote:This is the entire post from Ponder weather btw(DFW based so no east coast crap). There's another post from a Denver page talking about a big pattern change around New Year's

https://i.ibb.co/m8mcPRF/Screenshot-20241220-183454-Facebook.png


If only.... The map progs a Canadian warming.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#643 Postby Stratton23 » Fri Dec 20, 2024 10:28 pm

Thats a stretch of the PV, thats not canadian warming, its going to get cold, not warm
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#644 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:23 am

Thats some bitterly cold air on the 00z GFS, swinging the SPV to our side of the globe as a result of the SSWE, im getting december 2022 vibes looking at the setup in the ensembles ( may not be bone dry though)
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#645 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:35 am

Stratton23 wrote:Thats some bitterly cold air on the 00z GFS, swinging the SPV to our side of the globe as a result of the SSWE, im getting december 2022 vibes looking at the setup in the ensembles ( may not be bone dry though)


Need a -NAO to slow things down.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#646 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:37 am

Cpv17 GFS does have a -NAO, its centered over greenland
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#647 Postby Throckmorton » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:39 am

Stratton23 wrote:Thats a stretch of the PV, thats not canadian warming, its going to get cold, not warm


The anticyclonic circulation on the left side of the map is a Canadian warming.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#648 Postby Throckmorton » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:44 am

A sudden stratospheric warming involves pronounced warming at the 10 mb level and a reversal of the winds so that an anticyclonic circulation wholly replaces the normal cyclonic circulation of the stratospheric polar vortex.

None of the models I've seen prog a SSW, so far at least.

The 00Z 12/21 run of the ECMWF shows for 00Z 12/31 a major Canadian warming covering Canada and the U. S. For that time stamp, surface temperatures for the eastern two-thirds of the U. S. are progged to be 10-20° F above the ERA5 climate for 1991-2020. EPS is similar.

The GEFS shows an even more intense Canadian warming for the same time stamp.

A stretched SPV does indeed happen over the Atlantic Ocean and the far eastern U. S. during that time. Surface temperatures are affected there (although record breaking should be confined to Florida).
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#649 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:56 am

Throckmorton i guess we will see, but this canadian warming will virtually have no impact on the US, but good for studiying purposes since thats a term that hasnt been used alot in the weather world
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#650 Postby Throckmorton » Sat Dec 21, 2024 3:10 am

Stratton23 wrote:Throckmorton i guess we will see, but this canadian warming will virtually have no impact on the US, but good for studiying purposes since thats a term that hasnt been used alot in the weather world


It's a well known phenomenon since at least the 1980s according to Google Scholar. We had one last year.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#651 Postby HockeyTx82 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:16 am

Throckmorton wrote:
Stratton23 wrote:Throckmorton i guess we will see, but this canadian warming will virtually have no impact on the US, but good for studiying purposes since thats a term that hasnt been used alot in the weather world


It's a well known phenomenon since at least the 1980s according to Google Scholar. We had one last year.


A Canadian warming event, also known as a sudden stratospheric warming (SSW), is a phenomenon where temperatures in the stratosphere (the second major layer of Earth's atmosphere) over the polar region rise rapidly by several tens of degrees Celsius over a few days.

Canadian warming events occur in the Northern Hemisphere's stratosphere, usually from mid-November to early December.

These events are part of a broader category of stratospheric warming events, which can be classified into major, minor, and final warmings based on the extent of the temperature increase and wind reversal.

Canadian warming events have been known since the early 1950s, with the first recorded event observed in January 1952 by German meteorologist Richard Scherhag. Since then, they have been studied extensively, and their occurrence is closely monitored due to their potential impact on weather patterns and climate.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#652 Postby wxman22 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:58 am

LOL... :D

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#653 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:59 am

Staff is definitely aware.

Lets get back to weather discussion. GFS is advertising a cold air mass to move into the US shortly after the new year. It would fit into the narrative the ensembles have been showing in their longer range. Does appear with the MJO, EPO all aligning for a more sustained cold period come January.

There is actually very cold anomalous air building over the Arctic circle this week and if that makes its way into Canada then there is legit chance we will be seeing an outbreak in the coming weeks.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#654 Postby Stratton23 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 11:59 am

:ggreen: :ggreen: And theres the first GFS fantasy fun run of the season!
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#655 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:09 pm

The cold on the GFS :cold:

This isn't even the timeframe everyone is hyping about the SSW
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#656 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:14 pm

Canadian is setting it up too.

Will be interesting to watch the bitter cold air mass swirl across the Arctic this week dip near Siberia and return to North America. That would pack quite the punch if delivered.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#657 Postby Ntxw » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:18 pm

Goldilocks of blocking. Pacific and Alaskan Ridge delivering cold, Greenland High to lock it in.

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#658 Postby Cpv17 » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:32 pm

Ntxw wrote:Goldilocks of blocking. Pacific and Alaskan Ridge delivering cold, Greenland High to lock it in.

https://i.imgur.com/3RckxRw.png


This is what I like to see over any model run that’s in fantasy land.
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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#659 Postby Gotwood » Sat Dec 21, 2024 12:51 pm

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Re: Texas Winter 2024-2025

#660 Postby Brent » Sat Dec 21, 2024 2:08 pm

Looks like the EPS temperature range starts to tank around NYE here
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