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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#401 Postby Nimbus » Fri Aug 15, 2025 10:01 am

sasha_B wrote:Forecast peak is now 120 kts at +72h with the discussion noting that:
the the Florida State SuperEnsemble and the US Navy COAMPS-TC
models forecast higher peak intensities than the official forecast,
so it would not be too surprising if Erin became stronger than
currently forecast.

RI25 is also explicitly forecast for the first 24h forecast period.


Some of the model runs were forecasting surface pressures down int the 920's last night as it tracks off Georgia.
Surf erosion in the Carolina's north to New Jersey is always a problem with big storms.
Still watching for any late changes to the steering ridge evolution since there was some track motion slowdown near the Bahamas which usually means weak steering uncertainty.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#402 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 15, 2025 10:03 am

GCANE wrote:Interesting.
WV imagery showing a small mid/upper-level low at 30N 42W which is driving the poleward outflow channel.
Not seeing this on GFS other than a small 355K PV maximum.
Could be a significant glitch in the models.


Also, GFS is way off in its forecast of TPW.
Another significant glitch.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#403 Postby sasha_B » Fri Aug 15, 2025 10:11 am

The latest VDM has the eye smaller (30 nm), central pressure down to 995 hPa, and with a greater difference between temperatures inside/outside the eye (now 5°C), though the eyewall is still open to the west Erin is deepening though likely struggling somewhat with dry air as stated in the forecast discussion.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#404 Postby msbee » Fri Aug 15, 2025 10:29 am

cycloneye wrote:Msbee, Patti and other members in the northern Leewards. You will be fine as the core will move to your north but some squally bands will move theu St Marteen this weekend.

https://i.imgur.com/cqtvija.jpeg


Thank you, Luis. Yes we are preparing for wind and rain, most likely tomorrow into Sunday. Breathing a sigh of relief this morning, as I saw her direction was more WNW.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#405 Postby WaveBreaking » Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:29 am

That big feeder band W of Erin’s core reminds me of the ones that were in front of Beryl and Jova when they were in the middle of their own RI periods.

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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#406 Postby sasha_B » Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:35 am

No eye character observed in the last VDM...intensification level off until Erin has a more sustainable internal structure.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#407 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:40 am

Erin is looking better this morning, with improved convective banding in the past few hours. I'll go through what I've seen on satellite imagery this morning and what was corroborated by the two recon flight missions. We're likely to see a few more 'pulse up' phases where the circulation and wind field increases in diameter, and a bit of reconfiguration is required. I'll outline this process from my morning analysis below.

This was the first visible satellite imagery from this morning (~6AM eastern time), and I've outlined what I'm seeing from the cloud features. Erin is finally able to really build up her moisture profile with increasing SSTs and decreasing shear values, and this is most evident by the ability to produce a convective inflow canopy out in front of the main circulation (teal/blue). This is allowing for some mixing of the dry air/subsidence before the air mass enters the inflow channels of Erin. There was still an evident dry slot and dry air mass to the east of Erin (orange), and evidence of two vertical hot towers (VHTs, green) which was the catalyst for producing an initial pinhole eyewall that recon found early this morning:
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This was confirmed by recon and can be analyzed in CIMSS products:
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Moving forward an hour 1/2 later, we can clearly see the signs of an eyewall formation in its beginning stages (teal, pinhole formation is gone), and it appears the dry air slot is eroding the southwest periphery (dashed red):
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Move forward another hour, and our eyewall has rotated, so that the open slot is now located to the northwest (confirmed by recon at this time). The eyewall structure is starting to become more circular, and there are further signs that Erin is able to properly fight off the dry air intrusions this go around. While dry air generally inhibits widespread hurricane development by suppressing convection and capping its vertical depth, it can paradoxically contribute to the formation of vertical hot towers. I have circled these in green, and specifically we are looking in the cloud decks of the inflow bands:
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This is a bit more technical, but if you want to understand what exactly is going on here, I'll break it down further:
  • Dry air/SAL enters the hurricane's circulation typically at the mid-levels (700mb).
  • Upon intrusion, the dry air mixes with the storm's moist air, leading to evaporation of raindrops and cloud droplets. This evaporation is a cooling process (evaporative cooling), which lowers temperatures in the mid-to-lower troposphere.
  • The mid-level cooling from dry air intrusion steepens the vertical temperature lapse rate (the rate at which temperature decreases with height).
  • This increases convective instability, as the cooler mid-level air overlays warmer, moist air near the surface, making the atmosphere more prone to vigorous updrafts where sufficient moisture converges.
  • In the rainbands, low-level moist air (drawn in by the storm's inflow) encounters this heightened instability.
  • The contrast between the dry mid-levels and moist low-levels amplifies conditional instability, allowing parcels of air to rise more rapidly and with greater buoyancy once lifted.

Here is the full animation of visible imagery:
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You can really see these cool VHT processes with the dry air using mesoscale imagery and speeding it up:
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Expect more of these pulse up and reconfiguration episodes of the inner core as Erin progresses today.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#408 Postby zzzh » Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:51 am

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Dual rotating hot tower.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#409 Postby eastcoastFL » Fri Aug 15, 2025 11:53 am

Last night's disco talked about the potential of an EWRC expanding the size of Erin significantly. I wonder how that will play in how much the Bahamas are affected.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#410 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:10 pm

It looks like the trend this morning from the Recon fixes is that Erin is turning north faster than the latest forecast track.
If true, that would be great news for the islands and east coast.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#411 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:13 pm

Fast moving CCW hot-tower now zipping around the CoC.
Diurnal cycle is now for cooling cloud tops.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#412 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:18 pm

GCANE wrote:Fast moving CCW hot-tower now zipping around the CoC.
Diurnal cycle is now for cooling cloud tops.


Just saw visible satellite and that hot-tower is spewing cirrus much higher than its surroundings.
CDO building underway.
Chances increasing that may see a RI period during the night / dawn.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#413 Postby Kazmit » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:20 pm

GCANE wrote:It looks like the trend this morning from the Recon fixes is that Erin is turning north faster than the latest forecast track.
If true, that would be great news for the islands and east coast.

Nerve-wracking for Bermuda though. We will be on the dirty side so we could be in trouble if it passes within 200 miles or so.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#414 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:23 pm

That UL Low that is driving the poleward outflow channel is moving south.
When it gets to about the same latitude as Erin, I expect Erin will be at its peak intensity.
Could be around the point Erin is directly north of Haiti.
Might see a strong Cat 4 then.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#415 Postby zzzh » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:32 pm

The eye is becoming apparent on IR
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#416 Postby GCANE » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:50 pm

zzzh wrote:The eye is becoming apparent on IR


Especially on LWIR.
Two counter-rotating hot towers around it.
Classic.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#417 Postby Sciencerocks » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:50 pm

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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#418 Postby cheezyWXguy » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:53 pm

These large sprawling bands that erin has developed will be an asset toward preventing future dry air intrusions, and the fact that core convection is notably deeper than that of its surrounding bands means erin is making steady strides at consolidating an inner core. I think recon flights tonight will find a much more symmetrical wind field conducive for faster strengthening.
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#419 Postby USTropics » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:58 pm

eastcoastFL wrote:Last night's disco talked about the potential of an EWRC expanding the size of Erin significantly. I wonder how that will play in how much the Bahamas are affected.


I feel much better about the Bahamas and United States after the 12z data has come in, we're looking at some potential squalls, significant riptides, and beach erosion as the main concern here for the islands and United States (Bermuda is still a bit unknown right now, but looking better). Here is the latest 10-run GFS trend with the 12z data (which has the strongest Erin yet in 72 hours):

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So basically the strength and position of the high pressure (red) and ridge extension (pink) determines the recurve alley (purple) here, not so much the strength of Erin. The best way to see potential scenarios is to look at the ensemble runs, and that will give us an idea of what different strengths of Erin means to the track.


GEFS was the last remaining ensemble suite that was showing a more gradual turn to the north, and as a result some ensemble members were impacting the Bahamas or the potential for a Carolina scrape. The 12z GFS ensembles has only one remaining member that is doing this gradual turn now (and it does not impact the Bahamas or Carolinas directly):
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Compared to 06z ensembles:
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Here are 06z ECMWF ensemble members:
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Re: ATL: ERIN - Hurricane - Discussion

#420 Postby WaveBreaking » Fri Aug 15, 2025 1:04 pm

My take on Erin’s current environment.

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