the NWS sucks!!!!

James5o4 · #1 Postby **James5o4** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 1:28 am

i dont get it....everywhere BUT the nyc and LI area got either winter storm watches or some other advisories. the NYS didnt post anything in the NYC area..not even a flood watch for the melting snow...whats going on??

Mr Bob · #2 Postby **Mr Bob** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:05 am

What is it with this constant "bash the NWS" theme? They have been issuing SPS's for the upcoming storm. Perhaps it would be a good idea to verse yourself in the definitions of watches and warnings before posting such a titled thread. If there is no watch for you area then it is a good bet that the forecaster does not think you will experience those conditions. Whether or not he is wrong is really only known when the event is over.

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/ny/special.html

chadtm80 · #3 Postby **chadtm80** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:12 am

What is it with this constant "bash the NWS" theme? They have been issuing SPS's for the upcoming storm. Perhaps it would be a good idea to verse yourself in the definitions of watches and warnings before posting such a titled thread. If there is no watch for you area then it is a good bet that the forecaster does not think you will experience those conditions. Whether or not he is wrong is really only known when the event is over.

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/ny/special.html

Thank You Mr Bob!! Cant stand NWS bashing.. Perhaps you think you could do better james?

Guest · #4 Postby **Guest** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:13 am

Mr Bob wrote:What is it with this constant "bash the NWS" theme? They have been issuing SPS's for the upcoming storm. Perhaps it would be a good idea to verse yourself in the definitions of watches and warnings before posting such a titled thread. If there is no watch for you area then it is a good bet that the forecaster does not think you will experience those conditions. Whether or not he is wrong is really only known when the event is over.

http://iwin.nws.noaa.gov/iwin/ny/special.html

I would take MrBobs advice.

BTW your area may see a changover which is why i suspect you have notta...........

#5 Postby **wx247** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:25 am

Just going to add my $.02 worth. I think that criticism of the National Weather Service is warranted in some situations. Name calling and bashing isn't very mature, but if you have reasoning to back up your criticism of the NWS then it might be warranted.

StormCrazyIowan · #6 Postby **StormCrazyIowan** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:30 am

I can't complain, my local NWS seems to have well-screwed on heads! :lol:

They almost always have a good and detailed discussion and even if in the beginning they can be a tad off, they have it fixed before all is said and done!! I can't criticize because without what I've learned on there and from some of y'all (

) I'm dumber than a mudfence when it comes to weather!! LOL

I would say if your local NWS is consistenly missing big features then maybe get a little upset, but unless you are every bit as knowledged as the person who wrote the forecast I wouldn't go blasting!!

chadtm80 · #7 Postby **chadtm80** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:34 am

There is a Reason The NWS peeps get paid the big bucks.. They know what there doing and are VERY good at it.. No questions about it.. Dont care who you are, or what your opinion of the NWS is, but to bash them is just rediculous. Most bashing is due to members getting upset because they are not calling for weather that they "want" in there area. Totaly rediculous and very imature

wrkh99 · #8 Postby **wrkh99** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:37 am

There is no need for warning at this time . Please don't bash the NWS if you want to bash anyone go after TWC.

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/showsigwx.php?w ... +STATEMENT

SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
SPECIAL WEATHER STATEMENT
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE UPTON NY
942 AM EST SAT DEC 13 2003

...ANOTHER NOR'EASTER TAKING AIM ON THE TRI-STATE REGION FOR SUNDAY
INTO MONDAY...

.LOW PRESSURE WILL DEVELOP ALONG THE THE GULF COAST THIS AFTERNOON
AND TONIGHT...THEN INTENSIFY INTO A STRONG NOR'EASTER AS IT TRACKS
NORTHWARD ALONG THE ATLANTIC COAST SUNDAY. THE LOW WILL REACH A
POSITION JUST SOUTH OF LONG ISLAND BY SUNDAY EVENING...THEN MOVE
NORTHEASTWARD TO AROUND CAPE COD BY EARLY MONDAY AFTERNOON.

CTZ009>012-NJZ005-006-011-NYZ071>081-140040-
BRONX NY-ESSEX NJ-HUDSON NJ-KINGS (BROOKLYN) NY-NASSAU NY-
NEW YORK (MANHATTAN) NY-NORTHEAST SUFFOLK NY-NORTHWEST SUFFOLK NY-
QUEENS NY-RICHMOND (STATEN IS.) NY-SOUTHEAST SUFFOLK NY-
SOUTHERN FAIRFIELD CT-SOUTHERN MIDDLESEX CT-SOUTHERN NEW HAVEN CT-
SOUTHERN NEW LONDON CT-SOUTHERN WESTCHESTER NY-SOUTHWEST SUFFOLK NY-
UNION NJ-
942 AM EST SAT DEC 13 2003

LIGHT SNOW WILL DEVELOP ACROSS THE REGION FROM SOUTHWEST TO NORTHEAST
BY MID MORNING SUNDAY. THE SNOW COULD FALL MODERATELY FROM LATE
MORNING ON. THE SNOW WILL BEGIN TO MIX WITH SLEET AND RAIN AS THE
AFTERNOON CLOSES OUT...THEN CHANGE TO ALL RAIN BY EVENING. THE
CHANGE TO RAIN WILL LIKELY OCCUR FIRST OVER EASTERN LONG ISLAND...
THEN PROGRESS WESTWARD AND NORTHWARD. BEFORE THE CHANGE TO RAIN...
TWO TO LOCALLY FIVE INCHES OF SNOW AND SLEET MAY ACCUMULATE.

THE RAIN MAY BE HEAVY AT TIMES SUNDAY NIGHT...WITH 1 TO LOCALLY 2
INCHES POSSIBLE. THIS WILL LIKELY CAUSE FLOODING OF POOR DRAINAGE
AND LOW LYING AREAS...AS WELL AS CAUSE SIGNIFICANT PONDING OF WATER
ON ROADWAYS. CREEKS AND STREAMS MAY EXPERIENCE SIGNIFICANT RISES.

WINDS WILL BECOME A FACTOR SUNDAY NIGHT AND ESPECIALLY MONDAY.
SUSTAINED SPEEDS MAY REACH 20 TO 30 MPH...WITH GUSTS AS HIGH AS 50
MPH AT TIMES.

YET ANOTHER CONCERN...MINOR COASTAL FLOODING IS ALSO POSSIBLE AT
THE TIMES OF HIGH TIDE SUNDAY. THE SUNDAY EVENING AND NIGHTTIME HIGH
TIDE CYCLE WILL HAVE HIGHER DEPARTURES...POSSIBLY 3 1/2 TO 4 1/2
FEET ABOVE NORMAL. THIS WILL LIKELY CAUSE MINOR TO LOCALLY MODERATE
COASTAL FLOODING AROUND THE TIMES OF HIGH TIDE.

STAY TUNED TO NOAA WEATHER RADIO...OR TO THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE
WEBSITE FOR UPDATES...AND POSSIBLE FUTURE WARNINGS AND ADVISORIES ON
THIS UPCOMING NOR'EASTER.

$$

wrkh99 · #9 Postby **wrkh99** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:38 am

chadtm80 wrote:There is a Reason The NWS peeps get paid the big bucks.. They know what there doing and are VERY good at it.. No questions about it.. Dont care who you are, or what your opinion of the NWS is, but to bash them is just rediculous. Most bashing is due to members getting upset because they are not calling for weather that they "want" in there area. Totaly rediculous and very imature

Or people calling threads lame and a waste of Space when they really are .

Right Chad ?

#10 Postby **wx247** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:53 am

There is a difference between bashing and criticisms and disagreements, right? (I am just trying to figure what your definition of bashing is. If I have offended anyone with my posts I apologize.)

wrkh99 · #11 Postby **wrkh99** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:56 am

I think that the word Sucks was a little too much .

Then again what do I know cause I have been banned from chat and warned several times on here about my post .

chadtm80 · #12 Postby **chadtm80** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:56 am

LOL.. Right wrkh

wx247, i think saying the NWS SUCKS is bashing.. No questions about it.. I think bashing is wehn you imaturly put others down for there forecasts when you have ABSOLUTLEY nothing to back it up. Not only is it bashing, but its also VERY weenie.... BTW you definatly didnt offend me

wrkh99 · #13 Postby **wrkh99** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:58 am

chadtm80 wrote:LOL.. Right wrkh

wx247, i think saying the NWS SUCKS is bashing.. No questions about it.. I think bashing is wehn you imaturly put others down for there forecasts when you have ABSOLUTLEY nothing to back it up. BTW you definatly didnt offend me

If you want some pointers on how to upset Chad Just pm me j/k LOL

chadtm80 · #14 Postby **chadtm80** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 10:59 am

LOL.. I guess I cant argue.. The man is speaking the truth.. LOL

#15 Postby **Dave C** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:00 am

They may still put out a winter weather advisory. The updated forecast at 9:45 am for NYC is going with 2-5 in. before changing to rain. They are forecasting similar amounts(4-6in) for my area(Boston) and have a winter storm watch. The usual expectations for Winter storm watch-warning is 6+ inches for a particular event, both NYC and Boston areas are very close to that criteria. Unfortanantly for snow lovers, rain will wash it all away!! :grr:

#16 Postby **wx247** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:01 am

LOL... Ok wrkh. Thanks for giving me that information!!!

Good to know.

wrkh99 · #17 Postby **wrkh99** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:04 am

chadtm80 wrote::moon: LOL.. I guess I cant argue.. The man is speaking the truth.. LOL

Tell me something that I don't know already

donsutherland1 · #18 Postby **donsutherland1** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:06 am

James,

Upton has issues a special weather statement for the NYC and LI areas. Right now, even after examing the 12Z model guidance, these areas do not appear likely to meet winter storm watch criteria.

It is possible that a winter weather advisory might be issued later given that 2"-4" (least on Long Island and most to the adjacent northern and western suburbs of NYC) of snow still looks reasonable before the changeover.

Mr Bob · #19 Postby **Mr Bob** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:08 am

wx247 wrote:There is a difference between bashing and criticisms and disagreements, right? (I am just trying to figure what your definition of bashing is. If I have offended anyone with my posts I apologize.)

A generic "NWS Sucks" complaint because someone does not agree with their forecast is bashing...Are there legitimate things that the NWS seems to miss? Of course! Every met has a bad day, but this is a case of someone not liking a forecast, not blatant negligence on the part of the NWS. There is a good probability of a switch over from snow to rain in NYC proper...unlike the last storm...so it is ridiculous to say the "NWS sucks" because you do not like their forecast. The met who issued the forecast is not operating out of ignorance.

pawlee · #20 Postby **pawlee** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:18 am

just a random thought knowing firsthand how the NWS likes to err on the side of caution... in all likelyhood, warnings/advisories will go out but ONLY after being reviewed VERY carefully. issuing a warning or advisory prematurely not only may incite unnecessary panic but should the warning or advisory not pan out, it affects the credibility of the NWS who simply want to maintain a good relationship and focus on public safety and awareness. the NYC region is a very densely populated area so unlike maybe rural W NY, certain provisions must be met as a check and balance with regard to the demographics. every official forecast has ramifications so they are in fact working in our best interest to ensure accuracy even if it means delayed warning/advisory. p

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