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If the election were held today, who would you vote for?

President George W. Bush (R)
28
56%
John Kerry (D)
13
26%
Ralph Nader (I)
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No votes
Whoever runs as Liberterian
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4%
Undecided
6
12%
I won't vote. I don't want a say in the future of America.
1
2%
 
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#61 Postby JQ Public » Mon Mar 08, 2004 11:50 pm

Lindaloo wrote:You are seeing the damage by the Clinton Administration. Don't blame it on Bush.


I'm sorry but this cannot be an excuse if bush wins another term...(scapegoat)
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#62 Postby smiley » Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:52 am

I don't appreciate this:

I won't vote. I don't want a say in the future of America.

I will not vote, and it will be a vote of no confidence. I don't believe in our bipartisan democracy, and I think the only way for it to change is for it to crumble. How can you vote for Bush or Kerry? Kerry is a weak man, and Bush is a moron. If that stung, I'm sorry. But all this trash I hear about handling 9/11 well....perhaps you'd rather thank his speechwriters.
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#63 Postby rainstorm » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:20 am

9/11 will not play any part in the campaign. kerry has taken that issue from bush
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#64 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:34 am

JQ Public wrote:
Lindaloo wrote:You are seeing the damage by the Clinton Administration. Don't blame it on Bush.


I'm sorry but this cannot be an excuse if bush wins another term...(scapegoat)


An excuse? That is true fact.
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#65 Postby southerngale » Tue Mar 09, 2004 1:21 pm

smiley wrote:I don't appreciate this:

I won't vote. I don't want a say in the future of America.

I will not vote, and it will be a vote of no confidence. I don't believe in our bipartisan democracy, and I think the only way for it to change is for it to crumble. How can you vote for Bush or Kerry? Kerry is a weak man, and Bush is a moron. If that stung, I'm sorry. But all this trash I hear about handling 9/11 well....perhaps you'd rather thank his speechwriters.


If you don't appreciate it, make your own poll. :)
I put that there because if you don't exercise your right to vote, then you aren't having a say in the future and have no right to complain.

And I would never vote for Kerry. The man is waaaaay too far left and would be really bad for this country. The morals in this country are going down the drain faster than a bottle of Drano...good gosh we don't need that man to make things worse!

Yes I will vote for Bush for the many reasons you can find throughout my posts, mainly because he is doing a great job and stands for what I believe is important. If he's a moron then we should always elect morons because he's doing a fine job!! 8-)
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#66 Postby mf_dolphin » Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:49 pm

Kelly just consider the source. People that think that by not voting they are protesting need to understand the real world. Maybe someday they'll understand that for all it's faults we still have the best political system in the world. As to anyone who calls a Harvard graduate a 'moron" they should hope to have the same credentials some day....

President Bush is doing a good job as far as I'm concerned. :-)
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#67 Postby BocaGirl » Tue Mar 09, 2004 4:50 pm

southerngale wrote:[And I would never vote for Kerry. The man is waaaaay too far left and would be really bad for this country. The morals in this country are going down the drain faster than a bottle of Drano...good gosh we don't need that man to make things worse!


The funny thing is that I don't much like Kerry.........But statements like this make me squirm. Why? Because I don't think it's reasonable or fair to equate soneone's politcal stance with his or her morals.

Why do I say that? Because, if I follow your line of reasoning, we would not have had the executives at Enron or WorldCom turn out to be such crooks. (PSST! They were big donators to the Republican party and supposedly conservatives.) And we would not have had to see the news stories about the resignation and scandals about the affairs of some of the most conserative politicians in the country. No siree, only known "lefties" like Bill Clinton would be entitled to wear crown.

But it's not true. Some conservatives have awful morals. Some liberals have awful morals. Most folks, despite their political believes, are basically decent and have high moral standards. (Notice I say MOST.)

No one says anyone has to vote for Kerry or Bush. But assuming that one candidate's followers are "Good" because they're on the right and the other "Bad" because they're on the left isn't reasonable thinking.

Yeah, I know-I have my flameproof suit ready!!! And I think in the future I'd better stick to weather-related posts..............

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#68 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:02 pm

IMO, some of the not-thinking-for-themselves right-wingers tend to usher out a Pavlovian response that all liberals are immoral based on what they see and read from the liberal media and Hollywood. Likewise, the not-thinking-for-themselves left-wingers consider all conservatives to be uptight and intolerant because they heard some moderate political preaching by televangelists who we find out live just as immoral lives as the next fallen celeb in a Hollywood scandal.

There are going to be problems on both sides and scandals in both parties. There will be those who don't cut it as leaders (and we pray they aren't the ones who make it to the Big Chair). Most of us realize that and don't fault every single member of the opposing party for the shortcomings of a few. Unfortunately, there are the handful of yellow-dog Democrats and nothing-but-Republican voters who don't care to see it any other way.

Kerry might have some good points. I'm willing to listen and find out, although I have yet to hear them. Just as many of us on the Republican side asked for the Democrat's support for our President and the troops during the war on terrorism, I'm sure Dems would ask for our support on the off chance :wink: that Kerry is elected. I wouldn't support him on issues like abortion. But hey, if he's the commander-in-chief and out to kick some more Muslim extremist butt, you know I'll be behind him...even if he is a Democrat. However, if he does win :o and doesn't fight it, I'll be peeved!

And for the record, I'll most likely vote for a Democrat for Galveston mayor, based on her record of voting for firefighter/law enforcement officer's raises, fixing the city's financial department after it was without a director for 11 months, and, most importantly, for voting NO for putting parking meters on the Seawall without letting voters vote on the issue (that one just happened, and so now we get to vote on it! :) )

Sometimes, it's not a matter of what party the person belongs to, but how they feel about the issues and what position they'd hold if elected.
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#69 Postby BocaGirl » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:18 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:IMO, some of the not-thinking-for-themselves right-wingers tend to usher out a Pavlovian response that all liberals are immoral based on what they see and read from the liberal media and Hollywood. Likewise, the not-thinking-for-themselves left-wingers consider all conservatives to be uptight and intolerant because they heard some moderate political preaching by televangelists who we find out live just as immoral lives as the next fallen celeb in a Hollywood scandal.


Ya know Duckie, I have a feeling if you lived here in SoFla, or I lived in Galveston, we'd be friends!
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#70 Postby mf_dolphin » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:32 pm

barbara, if someone flames ya they'll answer to me :-) Good post Duckie! I disagree with Kerry over his political stances, Both sides of them ;-)
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#71 Postby Anonymous » Tue Mar 09, 2004 6:34 pm

GalvestonDuck wrote:IMO, some of the not-thinking-for-themselves right-wingers tend to usher out a Pavlovian response that all liberals are immoral based on what they see and read from the liberal media and Hollywood. Likewise, the not-thinking-for-themselves left-wingers consider all conservatives to be uptight and intolerant because they heard some moderate political preaching by televangelists who we find out live just as immoral lives as the next fallen celeb in a Hollywood scandal.

There are going to be problems on both sides and scandals in both parties. There will be those who don't cut it as leaders (and we pray they aren't the ones who make it to the Big Chair). Most of us realize that and don't fault every single member of the opposing party for the shortcomings of a few. Unfortunately, there are the handful of yellow-dog Democrats and nothing-but-Republican voters who don't care to see it any other way.

Kerry might have some good points. I'm willing to listen and find out, although I have yet to hear them. Just as many of us on the Republican side asked for the Democrat's support for our President and the troops during the war on terrorism, I'm sure Dems would ask for our support on the off chance :wink: that Kerry is elected. I wouldn't support him on issues like abortion. But hey, if he's the commander-in-chief and out to kick some more Muslim extremist butt, you know I'll be behind him...even if he is a Democrat. However, if he does win :o and doesn't fight it, I'll be peeved!

And for the record, I'll most likely vote for a Democrat for Galveston mayor, based on her record of voting for firefighter/law enforcement officer's raises, fixing the city's financial department after it was without a director for 11 months, and, most importantly, for voting NO for putting parking meters on the Seawall without letting voters vote on the issue (that one just happened, and so now we get to vote on it! :) )

Sometimes, it's not a matter of what party the person belongs to, but how they feel about the issues and what position they'd hold if elected.

One of the most fair, unbiased, and overall excellent political posts in a long long time. Very well said!
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#72 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Mar 09, 2004 7:21 pm

Great post Duckie and Boca Girl and I second what Marshall said!!!

I voted for a Democrat for Governor in the state of MS. He is a good Christian man. I voted for him this go round too and not Haley Barbour. Haley won and automatically targeted education. He cut school funding by 3.5 million. His cutback will result in teachers losing their jobs and alot of school activities will be cut such as band, chorus and even football. The already crowded classrooms will become more crowded. Now all the ones who voted for him want to complain.
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#73 Postby timNms » Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:02 pm

Good post, Duckie. I agree with you totally.
Linda, don't we have a wonderful governor!!! I'm glad I retired from teaching or my job would probably have been in jeopardy. (I'd just moved to this school district and was beginning my 2nd year in it when I retired.)
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#74 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:21 pm

I know tim don't ya just love him? NOT!! At least with Musgrove he cared about our teachers and kids. When Haley was first elected I could not voice my opposition at work (law enforcement backed him) but with his recent stance on education I am allowed to rub it in. :) And boy do I. lol.

Teacher pay is worthless in MS as it is. Did they need another blow? Heck no!!
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#75 Postby Guest » Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:23 pm

timNms wrote:Good post, Duckie. I agree with you totally.
Linda, don't we have a wonderful governor!!! I'm glad I retired from teaching or my job would probably have been in jeopardy. (I'd just moved to this school district and was beginning my 2nd year in it when I retired.)


I'll trade you two. :lol: Governor for Governor???? You will see why later on why i say that. 3.5 million education cut huh??? Can almost triple that here and add to it a deficit unheard of and as well the staggering loss of jobs (Alot of manufactoring good paying job). :eek: When i get some numbers i will post them.
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#76 Postby Rainband » Tue Mar 09, 2004 8:45 pm

rainstorm wrote:9/11 will not play any part in the campaign. kerry has taken that issue from bush
Taken??? 911 should have never been a part of his campaign. Bad choice by somebody.
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#77 Postby Stephanie » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:03 pm

WOW!!! Duckie & Kelly your posts were FANTASTIC!!!! I couldn't agree more with both of you! :D
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#78 Postby stormchazer » Tue Mar 09, 2004 9:08 pm

brettjrob wrote:
GalvestonDuck wrote:IMO, some of the not-thinking-for-themselves right-wingers tend to usher out a Pavlovian response that all liberals are immoral based on what they see and read from the liberal media and Hollywood. Likewise, the not-thinking-for-themselves left-wingers consider all conservatives to be uptight and intolerant because they heard some moderate political preaching by televangelists who we find out live just as immoral lives as the next fallen celeb in a Hollywood scandal.

There are going to be problems on both sides and scandals in both parties. There will be those who don't cut it as leaders (and we pray they aren't the ones who make it to the Big Chair). Most of us realize that and don't fault every single member of the opposing party for the shortcomings of a few. Unfortunately, there are the handful of yellow-dog Democrats and nothing-but-Republican voters who don't care to see it any other way.

Kerry might have some good points. I'm willing to listen and find out, although I have yet to hear them. Just as many of us on the Republican side asked for the Democrat's support for our President and the troops during the war on terrorism, I'm sure Dems would ask for our support on the off chance :wink: that Kerry is elected. I wouldn't support him on issues like abortion. But hey, if he's the commander-in-chief and out to kick some more Muslim extremist butt, you know I'll be behind him...even if he is a Democrat. However, if he does win :o and doesn't fight it, I'll be peeved!

And for the record, I'll most likely vote for a Democrat for Galveston mayor, based on her record of voting for firefighter/law enforcement officer's raises, fixing the city's financial department after it was without a director for 11 months, and, most importantly, for voting NO for putting parking meters on the Seawall without letting voters vote on the issue (that one just happened, and so now we get to vote on it! :) )

Sometimes, it's not a matter of what party the person belongs to, but how they feel about the issues and what position they'd hold if elected.

One of the most fair, unbiased, and overall excellent political posts in a long long time. Very well said!


Yes....well said.
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#79 Postby southerngale » Tue Mar 09, 2004 10:44 pm

BocaGirl wrote:
southerngale wrote:[And I would never vote for Kerry. The man is waaaaay too far left and would be really bad for this country. The morals in this country are going down the drain faster than a bottle of Drano...good gosh we don't need that man to make things worse!


The funny thing is that I don't much like Kerry.........But statements like this make me squirm. Why? Because I don't think it's reasonable or fair to equate soneone's politcal stance with his or her morals.

Why do I say that? Because, if I follow your line of reasoning, we would not have had the executives at Enron or WorldCom turn out to be such crooks. (PSST! They were big donators to the Republican party and supposedly conservatives.) And we would not have had to see the news stories about the resignation and scandals about the affairs of some of the most conserative politicians in the country. No siree, only known "lefties" like Bill Clinton would be entitled to wear crown.

But it's not true. Some conservatives have awful morals. Some liberals have awful morals. Most folks, despite their political believes, are basically decent and have high moral standards. (Notice I say MOST.)

No one says anyone has to vote for Kerry or Bush. But assuming that one candidate's followers are "Good" because they're on the right and the other "Bad" because they're on the left isn't reasonable thinking.

Yeah, I know-I have my flameproof suit ready!!! And I think in the future I'd better stick to weather-related posts..............

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Nobody is going to flame you BocaGirl. Not and get away with it anyway! :)

I do agree with you that both parties have people with bad morals. I think that it would be ridiculous to assume otherwise. I guess I didn't make myself very clear in my post. I don't assume he has bad morals because he is so far left. I just know things about the man and his views on certain issues that I find immoral. I would think those same stances would be immoral no matter what party he belonged to, but he is a Democrat. It just so happens that the issues I think are important are reflected in the Republican platform. If there was a Democrat who better reflected my views than the opposing Republican candidate, then of course I would vote for that Democrat. That just hasn't happened yet. ;)
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#80 Postby stormchazer » Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:37 am

Psst...hey Bocagirl, Enron was a big supporter of Democrats too and MCI Worldcom gave as much to Democrats.

From Free Republic..

“All you have to do is follow the money,” House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-Mo.) told reporters June 26. “It leads right to the Republican party.”

But that argument might not be as convincing in WorldCom’s case. Over the last 10 years, the company’s political contributions have been spread evenly between the two national parties. Since 1989, the company has contributed roughly $7.6 million in soft money, PAC and individual contributions to federal candidates and parties, 54 percent to the GOP. The race for WorldCom money has been even tighter than during the current election cycle. So far in 2001-02, WorldCom has contributed just over $1 million, split equally between Democrats and Republicans.


Oh the facts......not a flame. :lol:
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