Ignorant Quote from Brazil

KatDaddy · #1 Postby **KatDaddy** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:46 am

"This system was totally different from anything we've ever seen here," said Laura Rodrigues, a meteorologist at the Santa Catarina state weather bureau. "It may be that it was neither a hurricane nor a subtropical cyclone, but rather something completely new."

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/03 ... storm.html

https://www.youtube.com/user/senorpepr · #2 Postby **senorpepr** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:53 am

Laura Rodrigues, a meteorologist at the Santa Catarina state weather bureau wrote:"...but rather something completely new."

Ummm... like a hurricane?

#3 Postby **vbhoutex** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 11:56 am

I AM DUMBFOUNDED how they continue to try and rationalize the MISTAKES that were made with this OBVIOUS HURRICANE!!!

"We've never had a hurricnae before so it can't be one. it must be something completely new and unknow"?????????? There is something about that logic which escapes me!!!

TRAGICALLY, lives were lost, and not enough, if any, preparation was made for this DISASTER, mainly due to an APPARENTLY ARROGANT SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY in Brazil. It appears pride got in the way of common sense to me since the rest of the world weather community was telling them they had a HURRICANE COMING!!!

weatherluvr · #4 Postby **weatherluvr** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:01 pm

Reminds me of the movie Jaws, where the mayor steadfastly denied there was a killer shark in the waters of his beaches so it wouldn't scare away the tourists. How sad...

https://www.youtube.com/user/senorpepr · #5 Postby **senorpepr** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:09 pm

I wanna take a met course in Brazil.... I need something to laugh at.

#6 Postby **MWatkins** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 12:20 pm

To the Brazilian point...we do have hybrid cyclones all the time...especially during nino years...and especially at the end of old fronts. Remember Cristobal a couple of years ago...a classic example. These aren't new...but aren't tropical in origin.

Since there are really no tropical waves propogating along in the South Atlantic...without any data to the contrary...the evoloution of the Brazillian cyclone must have come from a source that we don't really regard as tropical. So that part I'm OK with pending further study.

However...at the time it went into Brazil, it:

1. Had an eye
2. Anticyclonic outflow
3. Strongest winds directly around the center of low pressure
4. Presumably a warm-core, not a cold-core upper low

By just about any scientific definition...that's a hurricane causing Cat 1-like damage. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.

To say this is a "new" storm is preposterous and amounts to little more than a public CYA attempt. I wonder if the Brazilian people see through this.

MW

HurricaneGirl · #7 Postby **HurricaneGirl** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 2:41 pm

"Something Completely New" Okay Whatever!!

#8 Postby **Stephanie** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:01 pm

Wasn't this the same country that wanted to arrest the meteorologist that screwed up on the weather forecast? I thought that it had to do with the "carnival" and he forecasted good weather and it actually rained.

Guest · #9 Postby **Guest** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 3:14 pm

[quote="MWatkins"]

However...at the time it went into Brazil, it:

1. Had an eye
2. Anticyclonic outflow
3. Strongest winds directly around the center of low pressure
4. Presumably a warm-core, not a cold-core upper low

MW[/quote]
Actually it had cyclonic outflow, and anticyclonic rotation. This being it was located in the Southern Hemisphere. Warm core wasn't a question, being the deepening convection as shown in the IR4 Loop. The eye is of question whether it was a extratropical due to it's size, or, if this storm had more time, could the eye have closed tighter and could strengthening have been possible.
Either way, Lives were lost, damage was substantial, and this was total complacency on the part of the Brazilian government because of the warnings from the NHC and the rest of the Tropical Forecasting Community!

#10 Postby **MWatkins** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:14 pm

BarometerBob wrote:Actually it had cyclonic outflow, and anticyclonic rotation. This being it was located in the Southern Hemisphere. Warm core wasn't a question, being the deepening convection as shown in the IR4 Loop. The eye is of question whether it was a extratropical due to it's size, or, if this storm had more time, could the eye have closed tighter and could strengthening have been possible!

I don't think definitions for cyclonic and anti-cyclonic reverse when you switch hemispheres...only the relative directions. Air rotates clockwise around/into cyclones in the southern hemisphere...but the flow remains cyclonic.

It moves away from high centers counter-clockwise...but remains anti-cyclonic (not-cyclonic).

In terms of the size of the eye...I think Isabel had a tire-truck 60NM wide eye at one point...bigger than this system...and there is little question that Isabel was tropical. None of the t-numbers from any agency were ST tagged.

I think there is zero question that this system was tropical/warm core.

MW

Guest · #11 Postby **Guest** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:16 pm

I guess hitting a soccer ball with your head 1 too many times does cause brain damage after all.

#12 Postby **george_r_1961** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:18 pm

Bob the term "cyclonic" is relative to what hemisphere the system is in. In the northern hemisphere this would be counter clockwise; in the southern hemisphere clockwise.

Lindaloo · #13 Postby **Lindaloo** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 4:48 pm

MIA_canetrakker wrote:I guess hitting a soccer ball with your head 1 too many times does cause brain damage after all.

ROFL!!!

Josephine96 · #14 Postby **Josephine96** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 6:11 pm

LOL here too about the soccer ball comment.. Too funny :wink:

HurricaneGirl · #15 Postby **HurricaneGirl** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:36 pm

MIA_canetrakker wrote:I guess hitting a soccer ball with your head 1 too many times does cause brain damage after all.

OMG!!

Guest · #16 Postby **Guest** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 7:52 pm

Thanks

Glad I brought a smile to yaul's faces

#17 Postby **wxman57** » Tue Mar 30, 2004 8:18 pm

Perhaps our airport security people need to do a bit more than just fingerprint and photograph Brazilians entering the U.S. I think a brain scan is in order - to check for signs of any activity. :wink:

Clovis Padoan Filho · #18 Postby **Clovis Padoan Filho** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:26 pm

KatDaddy wrote:"This system was totally different from anything we've ever seen here," said Laura Rodrigues, a meteorologist at the Santa Catarina state weather bureau. "It may be that it was neither a hurricane nor a subtropical cyclone, but rather something completely new."

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/03 ... storm.html

People, they only know the informations to see that it was a hurricane, after the hurrica already cause damages.... After that, they think that it have a extra tropical " caracteristics " and a hurricane power.
Bye

https://www.youtube.com/user/senorpepr · #19 Postby **senorpepr** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:41 pm

Clovis Padoan Filho wrote:People, they only know the informations to see that it was a hurricane, after the hurrica already cause damages.... After that, they think that it have a extra tropical " caracteristics " and a hurricane power.
Bye

Ahh... interesting persective, but makes since. Hopefully the next hurricane will be forecast smoothly.

Stormsfury · #20 Postby **Stormsfury** » Mon Apr 05, 2004 5:52 pm

MIA_canetrakker wrote:I guess hitting a soccer ball with your head 1 too many times does cause brain damage after all.

*SF falls on the floor rolling in mad laughter!*

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