What is the difference between terrorism and war?

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#41 Postby CaluWxBill » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:36 pm

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#42 Postby Lindaloo » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:38 pm

Okay children let's be nice.
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#43 Postby CaluWxBill » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:39 pm

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#44 Postby chadtm80 » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:39 pm

bla bla bla bla.. Will why dont you ever just give your opinion.. Why asks everyone elses and not give answer your own question at least? This is what causes people to get iritaed with you imo... You wnat to ask other peoples opinion just so you can argue that there wrong. If this isnt true then thats just fine, Im just telling you how you portray yourself, but I would guess you already knew that before you posted this
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#45 Postby Rainband » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:41 pm

Willh wrote:
Rainband wrote:We don't fly planes into buildings and kill innocent civilians.
We don't take hostages and threaten to kill them.
We don't burn people after they are dead and mutilate their bodies.
We don't use religion to murder people and that very same religion.
Doesn't take much more common sense than that to show the difference :roll:
In Vietnam we took people up on helicopters, tossed their friend off and said to the other...if you don't speak, you're next. They spoke...and when finished, were tossed off.

In Vietnam we often razed entire villages, killing everyone...children included.

In the gulf war, we blocked a near 100 mile strip of highway at both ends and then went in and bombed the living crap out of everything. No thought was put into differentiating the civilians from the enemy.

In the 1800's we often rubbed smallpox on blankets and then gave them to Native Americans.

Back in the 1600's through the 1800's, our country allowed the enslavement of people for no better reason than their ethnicity.
Countless were murdered, raped, and tortured.

Stories of this nature go on and on.

These stories are not evidence of the inherent evil of people...but of people pushed by fear.
These people, Al Qaeda, are no different than us.

What about the Japanese lining children up 70 or so years ago and then taking turns to see who could lop the mose heads off at one time with a sword?
My whole point is the United states has rules of engagement. Yep there are isolated incidents of situations like you spoke of but we are civilized unlike the terrorists. BTW slavery has nothing to do with this discussion. I know this is off topic...but that was a bit OFF topic :lol:
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#46 Postby CaluWxBill » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:41 pm

chadtm80 wrote:bla bla bla bla.. Will why dont you ever just give your opinion.. Why asks everyone elses and not give answer your own question at least? This is what causes people to get iritaed with you imo... You wnat to ask other peoples opinion just so you can argue that there wrong. If this isnt true then thats just fine, Im just telling you how you portray yourself, but I would guess you already knew that before you posted this


I think he has more than adequately displayed his opinion on the subject.
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#47 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:41 pm

CaluWxBill wrote:
coriolis wrote:
CaluWxBill wrote:Don't say that...Lindaloo disagrees.


That's not necessary. Please don't do that.


When did I say this, I think you are misquoting me severely.


You're right, CaluWxBill ... Willh actually posted that.
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#48 Postby Willh » Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:43 pm

chadtm80 wrote:bla bla bla bla.. Will why dont you ever just give your opinion.. Why asks everyone elses and not give answer your own question at least? This is what causes people to get iritaed with you imo... You wnat to ask other peoples opinion just so you can argue that there wrong. If this isnt true then thats just fine, Im just telling you how you portray yourself, but I would guess you already knew that before you posted this
Because I wanted to stimulate discussion, as opposed to posting my views and have everything afterward be coloured by my original post. I don't know why it would matter, however.
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#49 Postby OtherHD » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:36 pm

I think this deserves a repost!

coriolis wrote:I personally wouldn't call terrorists cowards. In our revolutionary war, our patriots adopted tactics like hiding behind trees, sniping, & etc, against the british who marched in formation while getting mowed down. Our patriots weren't cowards. They adopted tactics that worked for them.

Terrorists use tactics that work for them.

Now, that being a dispassionate brief on tactics, the issue of who is right and who is wrong is an entirely different story:

I feel that the modern terrorists are slime sucking, filthy, smelly, bad guys, who should go back to herding camels. But they are not stupid, and they are not cowardly. Brainwashed? Maybe. Indoctrinated? Definitely. They are acting within their beliefs and world view. They are dedicated to their cause and happy to die for it. That makes them a formidable enemy. One key to winning a conflict is knowing the enemy. Calling them names is Monty Pythonesque.

We believe that we are right, they believe that they are right. Of course we are right! If we don't think that we are right, what's the point of anything?
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#50 Postby GalvestonDuck » Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:42 pm

coriolis wrote:I personally wouldn't call terrorists cowards. In our revolutionary war, our patriots adopted tactics like hiding behind trees, sniping, & etc, against the british who marched in formation while getting mowed down. Our patriots weren't cowards. They adopted tactics that worked for them.

Terrorists use tactics that work for them.

Now, that being a dispassionate brief on tactics, the issue of who is right and who is wrong is an entirely different story:

I feel that the modern terrorists are slime sucking, filthy, smelly, bad guys, who should go back to herding camels. But they are not stupid, and they are not cowardly. Brainwashed? Maybe. Indoctrinated? Definitely. They are acting within their beliefs and world view. They are dedicated to their cause and happy to die for it. That makes them a formidable enemy. One key to winning a conflict is knowing the enemy. Calling them names is Monty Pythonesque.
We believe that we are right, they believe that they are right. Of course we are right! If we don't think that we are right, what's the point of anything?


I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. :P
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#51 Postby timNms » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:07 pm

Duckie! Go wash your mouth out with soap!!! :) :) ;)
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#52 Postby CaluWxBill » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:09 pm

timNms wrote:Duckie! Go wash your mouth out with soap!!! :) :) ;)


Man I need to watch that movie, a classic indeed, watch out for the easter bunny.
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#53 Postby Lindaloo » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:13 pm

Great post Ed!!
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#54 Postby Stephanie » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:21 pm

Willh wrote:
coriolis wrote:I personally wouldn't call terrorists cowards. In our revolutionary war, our patriots adopted tactics like hiding behind trees, sniping, & etc, against the british who marched in formation while getting mowed down. Our patriots weren't cowards. They adopted tactics that worked for them.

Terrorists use tactics that work for them.

Now, that being a dispassionate brief on tactics, the issue of who is right and who is wrong is an entirely different story:

I feel that the modern terrorists are slime sucking, filthy, smelly, bad guys, who should go back to herding camels. But they are not stupid, and they are not cowardly. Brainwashed? Maybe. Indoctrinated? Definitely. They are acting within their beliefs and world view. They are dedicated to their cause and happy to die for it. That makes them a formidable enemy. One key to winning a conflict is knowing the enemy. Calling them names is Monty Pythonesque.

We believe that we are right, they believe that they are right. Of course we are right! If we don't think that we are right, what's the point of anything?
Don't say that...Lindaloo disagrees. The Patriots were cowards. They hid behind trees. Don't you get it? They didn't just come out and fight in the open so the opposing military could fit them in their sites better.


However, the Patriots used these tactics to defend their homes, families and their own lives. Terrorists attack without provocation.
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#55 Postby Willh » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:23 pm

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However, the Patriots used these tactics to defend their homes, families and their own lives. Terrorists attack without provocation.
No, they think we're attempting to destroy their religion and force our culture on theirs.
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#56 Postby CaluWxBill » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:24 pm

Stephanie wrote:However, the Patriots used these tactics to defend their homes, families and their own lives. Terrorists attack without provocation.


from your point of view. maybe just maybe the terrorist actually are threatened by our power, and believe that we threaten there way of life. you do know that the American Revolution was not popularly supported immediately. I don't agree with them, as I believe they see us in the wrong light, but I do believe they (in their own view) see us as provoking them with our influence on the region.
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#57 Postby Anonymous » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:25 pm

Willh wrote:
Stephanie wrote:
However, the Patriots used these tactics to defend their homes, families and their own lives. Terrorists attack without provocation.
No, they think we're attempting to destroy their religion.

Agreed, it is all about perception. Of course anyone with a rational mind (and/or a natural bias) can see that they are delusional, but the fact remains that within their minds this is how the world is and they act on their own view of life. It does not make it right, but it does make it understandable (as to why they do it).
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#58 Postby Stephanie » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:26 pm

In their mind will. We have not attempted to do any such thing - they hate our way of life. So, in a way, they have declared war on us and their terrorism tactics is the way they are choosing to fight their battle.
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#59 Postby Willh » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:26 pm

Think of it this way.
The western hemisphere and our way of life is overtaking the entire world. Think of our materialism...Mcdonalds, Coca Cola, MTV, etc. These things have established branches around the world.
A lot of places, however, see this as decay and as something that will destroy the world for their sons, daughters and gradn children. They feel they must take arms to prevent this from happening.
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#60 Postby Rainband » Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:29 pm

Willh wrote:Think of it this way.
The western hemisphere and our way of life is overtaking the entire world. Think of our materialism...Mcdonalds, Coca Cola, MTV, etc. These things have established branches around the world.
A lot of places, however, see this as decay and as something that will destroy the world for their sons, daughters and gradn children. They feel they must take arms to prevent this from happening.
They came to our country and attacked us. Not our troops our civilians :roll: explain that :?:
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