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#701 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:43 pm

Actually, since 91L isn't an immediate threat to any landmass, they have the luxury of waiting on convective trends, and continued organization ... it could go either way at 11 pm tonight ...

T2.0 number do equate to 35 mph ... according to the Dvorak Satellite interpretation chart ...

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#702 Postby Bane » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:43 pm

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URNT12 KNHC 030119
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 03/0119Z
B. 32 DEG 29 MIN N
78 DEG 06 MIN W
C. 850 MB 1303 M
D. NA KT
E. NA DEG NM
F. 044 DEG 62 KT
G. 321 DEG 010 NM
H. 987 MB
I. 17 C/ 1547 M
J. 21 C/ 1559 M
K. 18 C/ NA
L. CLOSED
M. C10
N. 12345/8
O. 0.5/1.0 NM
P. AF866 0701A ALEX OB 08
MAX FL WIND 62 KT NW QUAD 0116Z.
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#703 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:44 pm

Whoa, the eyewall is down to 10 NM ... that's a significant contraction to the eyewall ...

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#704 Postby Bane » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:45 pm

The pressure is down another MB. Closed eyewall 10 NM wide. Flight level winds 62 KT.

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987 mb closed eyewall

#705 Postby WXBUFFJIM » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:46 pm

987 mb as of 0119Z 9:19 PM EDT. Eyewall remains closed. By 11 PM EDT, Alex potentially could be upgraded to minimal hurricane status. Keep an eye out, especially in the Outer Banks from Hatteras to Okracoke. Drumm Inlet may get a taste of this and likewise the Atlantic Beach/Cedar Island area. The worse quadrant, the northeast quadrant should remain offshore, thus minimal impact.

Again pressure is being shown at 987 mb, which means further strengthening, possibly to minimal hurricane status by 11 PM.

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Alex #7...same track...will keep a tropical storm for now

#706 Postby ncweatherwizard » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:47 pm

Granted RECON did determine 987mb, but flight level winds were 62kts in the NW quadrant, which is currently the strongest portion of the storm; therefore, I will keep a tropical storm initially for this forecast...but hurricane likely soon.

Otherwise, nothing much new; a northeastward movement and out to sea.

http://www.nencweather.com/tropicalweat ... /alex.html
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Re: 987 mb closed eyewall

#707 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:47 pm

WXBUFFJIM wrote:987 mb as of 0119Z 9:19 PM EDT. Eyewall remains closed. By 11 PM EDT, Alex potentially could be upgraded to minimal hurricane status. Keep an eye out, especially in the Outer Banks from Hatteras to Okracoke. Drumm Inlet may get a taste of this and likewise the Atlantic Beach/Cedar Island area. The worse quadrant, the northeast quadrant should remain offshore, thus minimal impact.

Again pressure is being shown at 987 mb, which means further strengthening, possibly to minimal hurricane status by 11 PM.

Jim


Also the compact size of Alex is helping as well ..

Not only the pressure down to 987 mb, the eyewall is still closed and contracted 15 NM (it's down to a 10 Nautical Mile Wide Eye now)

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#708 Postby Pebbles » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:48 pm

Now the really question is..how long will it keep intensifying this round? Thoughts?
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#709 Postby NorthGaWeather » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:50 pm

Just from studing nexrad tonight it is on a NNE motion and if it continues this motion the Western eyewall will come dang close to Carteret County and the Outer Banks will get a nice taste of the Right quad.
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#710 Postby Stormsfury » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:51 pm

Pebbles wrote:Now the really question is..how long will it keep intensifying this round? Thoughts?


The small compact size of Alex makes it very susceptible to its surrounding environment ... when shear begins to really impinge on the system, Alex is very likely to respond very quickly to that ... we still have a continued opportunity for further strengthening tonight before SW shear levels Alex off and reverses the trend.

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Re: 987 mb closed eyewall

#711 Postby SacrydDreamz » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:53 pm

WXBUFFJIM wrote:987 mb as of 0119Z 9:19 PM EDT. Eyewall remains closed. By 11 PM EDT, Alex potentially could be upgraded to minimal hurricane status. Keep an eye out, especially in the Outer Banks from Hatteras to Okracoke. Drumm Inlet may get a taste of this and likewise the Atlantic Beach/Cedar Island area. The worse quadrant, the northeast quadrant should remain offshore, thus minimal impact.

Again pressure is being shown at 987 mb, which means further strengthening, possibly to minimal hurricane status by 11 PM.

Jim


If the storm is moving NE I would expect the SE quadrant to be the strongest with the NW quadrant the weakest.... the most additive effect occurs 90° to the storm's heading
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#712 Postby Valkhorn » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:56 pm

If the storm is moving NE I would expect the SE quadrant to be the strongest with the NW quadrant the weakest.... the most additive effect occurs 90° to the storm's heading


Are you tacking on the forward speed to the sustained winds? That's usually a blunder - and it's a myth. Sustained wind speeds are measured while the system is moving already. Wherever the recon finds the strongest winds, that's where they are. Direction has usually no bearing on the strongest part of a storm, and the northeast quandrant - whether the storm is moving east or west - is usually the strongest.
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#713 Postby Valkhorn » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:58 pm

So, that translates to possibly 65mph winds with the next advisory. Once the wind speeds match the pressure drop, it'll likely be a minimal hurricane - definately by the 5am advisory.
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#714 Postby Brent » Mon Aug 02, 2004 8:59 pm

Sweet. 8-)
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Evening Alex Forecast now out, cane soon

#715 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:00 pm

http://www.nwhhc.com/atl012004.html


kept this as a 60KT tropical storm, right on the border of cane intensity. going to be a close call
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#716 Postby SacrydDreamz » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:06 pm

Valkhorn wrote:
If the storm is moving NE I would expect the SE quadrant to be the strongest with the NW quadrant the weakest.... the most additive effect occurs 90° to the storm's heading


Are you tacking on the forward speed to the sustained winds? That's usually a blunder - and it's a myth. Sustained wind speeds are measured while the system is moving already. Wherever the recon finds the strongest winds, that's where they are. Direction has usually no bearing on the strongest part of a storm, and the northeast quandrant - whether the storm is moving east or west - is usually the strongest.


Myth and blunder? No... check out some resources from the NHC and other credible sites. What I'm saying is that you cannot simply add 80mph and 18mph to get 98mph... but generally speaking the area of strongest winds are found at ~90° to the right of the storm's heading. Why do you think the area 90° to the right of the storm's heading generally sees the highest surge?

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/marinersguide.pdf Page 9
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#717 Postby bevgo » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:06 pm

I know this is not a cat 5 but I know all too well how bad even a minimal hurricane can be. You guys in the path of the rain and wind stay safe! I will keep all of you in my prayers.
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A bit lower, 987 mb now for Alex.....

#718 Postby dixiebreeze » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:12 pm

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#719 Postby Bane » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:17 pm

You must have missed it. It's been posted in another thread.
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Alex still a storm and 91L still a wave!

#720 Postby HurricaneLover » Mon Aug 02, 2004 9:29 pm

Statement as of 10:30 PM EDT on August 2, 2004


For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico...
The National Hurricane Center is issuing advisories on Tropical
Storm Alex...which is located about 95 miles south of
Wilmington North Carolina.
A strong tropical wave...accompanied by a well-defined low pressure
system...is centered about 680 miles east of the Windward Islands.
This system continues to become better organized and a tropical
depression could form on Tuesday as it moves west-northwestward at
15 to 20 mph. Interests in the Lesser Antilles should closely
monitor the progress of the system over the next few days.
An area of low pressure...associated with another tropical wave...is
passing just south of the southernmost Cape Verde Islands.
Thunderstorm activity has become less organized this evening...and
cool waters immediately ahead of this system may limit development
over the next couple of days.
Elsewhere...tropical storm formation is not expected through
Wednesday.
Forecaster Stewart
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