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Re: FL was very lucky this year

#21 Postby Ripopgodazippa » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:17 pm

logybogy wrote:Yeah four hurricanes suck, but it could have been a lot worse.

There was no direct hit from a large Cat 4/5 storm in a large metro area.(charley hit relatively sparsely populated Charlotte County)

The day of reckoning is coming, though.

One of these days we'll see a Cat 4/5 come into Tampa head on and then cross the state and decimate Central Florida's vulnerable inland communities and wipe Polk, Orange, Osceola, Seminole and Volusia off the map in one fell swoop.

One of these days we'll get the Big one, a direct hit from a Cat 5 with a large wind field into Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach that will leave 1 million + homeless and cause greater than $100 billion in damages.

This year was bad, but the future is scarier. Because these type of worst case scenarios described above will happen, whether next year, in 5 years, 15 years, 30 years.

It's only a matter of time.



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I usually find your posts interesting. This one is the exception...
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#22 Postby Rainband » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:30 pm

JenyEliza wrote:
Rainband wrote:Your post was in VERY!!Very bad taste. MANY people have lost everything. Sorry, but think before you post!!


Sorry if my post caused any upset. Surely I didn't intend to. My parents are in Volusia, and they're absolutely wiped out from Charley, Frances and Jeanne. Emotionally, physically, and (almost) financially.

Yet, my Dad still recognized this morning in the e-mail he got out to us that they had plenty to be grateful for and realized that they were quite lucky to have their lives, and moderately damaged home. That's basically the perspective my agreement w/orginal poster came from.

I do realize that some people in FL lost everything--including the most precious of all possessions--their lives. I don't think that's "lucky", and I recognize that it will be a LONG time before Floridian survivors can pick up the pieces and get on with their lives. My prayers (and dollars) have been sent on the way to help.

Big hugs to all you Floridians. You're made of much tougher stuff than I am!!

Jeny
I was talking about logybogys post!! :wink:
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#23 Postby JenyEliza » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:35 pm

Noah wrote:
JenyEliza wrote:
Rainband wrote:Your post was in VERY!!Very bad taste. MANY people have lost everything. Sorry, but think before you post!!


Sorry if my post caused any upset. Surely I didn't intend to. My parents are in Volusia, and they're absolutely wiped out from Charley, Frances and Jeanne. Emotionally, physically, and (almost) financially.

Yet, my Dad still recognized this morning in the e-mail he got out to us that they had plenty to be grateful for and realized that they were quite lucky to have their lives, and moderately damaged home. That's basically the perspective my agreement w/orginal poster came from.

I do realize that some people in FL lost everything--including the most precious of all possessions--their lives. I don't think that's "lucky", and I recognize that it will be a LONG time before Floridian survivors can pick up the pieces and get on with their lives. My prayers (and dollars) have been sent on the way to help.

Big hugs to all you Floridians. You're made of much tougher stuff than I am!!

Jeny
take a trip to florida jeny and see.. your eyes will tell you and break your heart.. Help in anyway you can.. because one day you may need us honey. :(


Wish I could come down and help personally. I would, if I could...but I'm a single mom and I've gotta work to feed my parents (in Volusia) grandchildren.

However, I have a pretty good idea of what's been happening down there. My dad has been sending pictures and e-mail updates regularly.

Currently (in addition to roof damage from winds) they are fighting to save their house from the St. John's and the flooded retention pond in their backyard. They've been pumping their backyard 24/7 since Frances. They're not in a flood plain...they have no flood insurance, so if the water breaches the house....they will have no coverage.

My parents are retired and on a fixed income. Their house is their major asset, and something they've worked to have over 45 years of marriage. If they lose the house...they don't have 20 years to recover.

So, trust me, I recognize that these 'Canes, the destruction and heartache they cause is very real.

Even with what my parents have gone through with The Big Three 'Canes, they still recognize it could be worse. MUCH worse. One or both could be dead. Call them (and me) silly, but they at least try to look at the positives in life.

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#24 Postby CentralFloridaGal » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:37 pm

Rainband wrote:I was talking about logybogys post!! :wink:


I'm in complete agreement.
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#25 Postby JenyEliza » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:38 pm

Rainband wrote:
JenyEliza wrote:
Rainband wrote:Your post was in VERY!!Very bad taste. MANY people have lost everything. Sorry, but think before you post!!


Sorry if my post caused any upset. Surely I didn't intend to. My parents are in Volusia, and they're absolutely wiped out from Charley, Frances and Jeanne. Emotionally, physically, and (almost) financially.

Yet, my Dad still recognized this morning in the e-mail he got out to us that they had plenty to be grateful for and realized that they were quite lucky to have their lives, and moderately damaged home. That's basically the perspective my agreement w/orginal poster came from.

I do realize that some people in FL lost everything--including the most precious of all possessions--their lives. I don't think that's "lucky", and I recognize that it will be a LONG time before Floridian survivors can pick up the pieces and get on with their lives. My prayers (and dollars) have been sent on the way to help.

Big hugs to all you Floridians. You're made of much tougher stuff than I am!!

Jeny
I was talking about logybogys post!! :wink:


Oh, OK--thanks. Just wanted to make sure I didn't step on any (rightfully) tender toes tonight.

My prayers and available spare dollars are on their way to FL tonight.

Hugs,

Jeny
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Re: FL was very lucky this year

#26 Postby Ixolib » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:40 pm

logybogy wrote:Yeah four hurricanes suck, but it could have been a lot worse.

There was no direct hit from a large Cat 4/5 storm in a large metro area.(charley hit relatively sparsely populated Charlotte County)

The day of reckoning is coming, though.

One of these days we'll see a Cat 4/5 come into Tampa head on and then cross the state and decimate Central Florida's vulnerable inland communities and wipe Polk, Orange, Osceola, Seminole and Volusia off the map in one fell swoop.

One of these days we'll get the Big one, a direct hit from a Cat 5 with a large wind field into Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach that will leave 1 million + homeless and cause greater than $100 billion in damages.

This year was bad, but the future is scarier. Because these type of worst case scenarios described above will happen, whether next year, in 5 years, 15 years, 30 years.

It's only a matter of time.


I have heard this viewpoint before - that a CAT 5 will "decimate Central Florida's vulnerable inland" - but I don't buy it. CAT 5's are surely extreme in nature (been there, done that), but I'd have to suggest that entire communities, especially those inland from landfall on the coastline, will not be wiped off the face of the earth. My neighborhood is about 1/3 of a mile north of the Gulf in central Biloxi and NO houses were "wiped away" here in Camille. But on the beach, under the surge.... well, that's another story.
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#27 Postby betsy65freddy79 » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:54 pm

I live in North Palm Beach - all homes here and in harder hit places built to standards after Andrew actually did fairly well with hits from both Frances and Jeanne - although Jeanne was much worse. I would guess that logybogy was NOT in Biloxi when Camille went through - otherwise, would never have posted such a thoughtless and rude comment. As for those of us who love living on the Florida peninsula, I say - we've faced the enemy and had plenty of practice - no hurricane is going to beat us down!!!!!
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#28 Postby Ixolib » Mon Sep 27, 2004 9:56 pm

betsy65freddy79 wrote:I live in North Palm Beach - all homes here and in harder hit places built to standards after Andrew actually did fairly well with hits from both Frances and Jeanne - although Jeanne was much worse. I would guess that logybogy was NOT in Biloxi when Camille went through - otherwise, would never have posted such a thoughtless and rude comment. As for those of us who love living on the Florida peninsula, I say - we've faced the enemy and had plenty of practice - no hurricane is going to beat us down!!!!!


Here!! Here!!
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Re: FL was very lucky this year

#29 Postby MysticOne » Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:16 pm

logybogy wrote:Yeah four hurricanes suck, but it could have been a lot worse.

There was no direct hit from a large Cat 4/5 storm in a large metro area.(charley hit relatively sparsely populated Charlotte County)

The day of reckoning is coming, though.

One of these days we'll see a Cat 4/5 come into Tampa head on and then cross the state and decimate Central Florida's vulnerable inland communities and wipe Polk, Orange, Osceola, Seminole and Volusia off the map in one fell swoop.

One of these days we'll get the Big one, a direct hit from a Cat 5 with a large wind field into Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach that will leave 1 million + homeless and cause greater than $100 billion in damages.

This year was bad, but the future is scarier. Because these type of worst case scenarios described above will happen, whether next year, in 5 years, 15 years, 30 years.

It's only a matter of time.


This post was shameful and absolute unnecessary (as well as mean spirited). Was there something that was supposed to be enlightening in this or were you just getting your "jollies".

We can all preach the "end of the world"... but then that hardly qualifies as a rational discussion of weather. Unless you have specific insight that will benefit this discussion board, I suggest you just keep these kind of thoughts roaming aimlessly in your own head!!

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#30 Postby SouthernWx » Mon Sep 27, 2004 10:16 pm

I wouldn't say Florida has been lucky....what has occurred there is horrible; but in all honesty...it could have been even worse.

As some of you know, I'm a hurricane historian. I've preached hurricane preparedness on the wx boards since 2000...and tried to warn Floridians in particular what was going to happen sooner or later. I haven't done it for my health or ego....but instead to try and save some lives. I'm a veteran Skywarn spotter, so trying to warn others about impending dangerous weather comes naturally.

Now I'm not saying this out of insensitivity....I have friends and relatives who've suffered greatly from this seasons hurricanes in Florida....but folks, if you are going to live in Florida....you had better brace yourselves.

Before 2004, the Florida peninsula had suffered the direct hit of ONE major hurricane during the past 38 years. During the same time period (1966-2003), only four (4) hurricanes of category 2 or higher intensity struck the peninsula (Gladys, David, Andrew, and Georges).

Compare that period of time to the 1900-1965 period....when the Florida peninsula was impacted by 31 cat-2 or higher hurricanes....19 of those major hurricanes with 115+ mph winds. Unfortunately, that is the historical/ climatological average....a landfalling cat-2 or higher hurricane once every two years, and a major landfalling hurricane on average once every 3-5 years.

During the 1846-1899 period, much of the Florida peninsula was very sparsely populated (Miami wasn't incorporated as a city until 1895).....and hurricane records are sketchy, yet 13 confirmed major hurricanes struck the peninsula...on average once every 4 years (13 in 54 yrs, and there were likely a couple that were missed due to striking between inhabited locations).

What Floridians have experienced since 1965....and to some extent, since the early 1950's was an unbelievably fortunate lull of intense hurricane activity. Unfortunately, that lull has apparently ended, and as I feared....the damage and shock among the population has been tremendous.

What I believe Logybogy meant...was as bad as it's been....it could have been even worse. Compare this season thusfar to the 1845-1950 era. In 1848, the Tampa Bay region was slammed by two major hurricanes only three weeks apart. In 1926 a large 150 mph monster hurricane wiped Miami from the map....followed only two years later by an even larger, more intense hurricane that tore a wide path from West Palm Beach to Orlando and Jacksonville...and took thousands of lives. Between 1944 and 1950, eight intense hurricanes struck the peninsula....in a seven year period.

If Charley had targeted Tampa Bay or Fort Myers....if Frances hadn't weakened and slammed into Fort Lauderdale or Palm Beach at 145 mph....if Jeanne had struck only 30 miles farther south, the misery, destruction, and loss of life we see tonight across Florida would have been multiplied a hundredfold.

Why am I telling you this? So you can prepare....because I'm very afraid (as are hurricane experts such as Dr Bill Gray and Dr Chris Landsea) that this is the beginning of a 20-30 year period of increased severe hurricane activity in Florida. So you can prepare yourself....financially, prepare yourself and loved ones to survive; and just as importantly...prepare yourself mentally for what next month, next season, and the hurricane seasons to come may bring.

Major landfalling hurricanes tend to strike in cycles. During the 1950's, most of the U.S landfalling hurricanes targeted the east coast from the Carolinas to New England. From 1961 to 1983, most targeted the Gulf Coast from Texas to the Florida panhandle. Until this season, most powerful hurricanes since 1984 have struck the Carolinas. It now appears the cycle has shifted back to Florida....as it was in the 1919-1950 period.

Just for the record....the September hurricanes have affected my area of Georgia also. Tonight a large tree lies on a neighbor's home of my father's in Newnan, Georgia (it barely missed dad's house). My great aunt here in Douglasville has a tarp on her roof....damaged by Ivan, and still awaiting roof repairs. Schools were closed across Georgia today...just as they were during Ivan and Frances. The flooding situation is getting worse...8.10" of rain has fallen at my home in September, and over 16.50" at my dad's home. Thousands are without power this evening....and hundreds of thousands lost power during Frances and Ivan. Homes are damaged all across the Peach state...people have died here...from flooding, wind, and tornadoes....so we know the stress, fear, and uncertainty they've caused Floridians (except it's far worse down there).

I'm keeping all Floridians in my prayers....and hoping the situation there will get much better very soon. :)
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Re: FL was very lucky this year

#31 Postby BocaGirl » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:10 pm

logybogy wrote:Yeah four hurricanes suck, but it could have been a lot worse.

There was no direct hit from a large Cat 4/5 storm in a large metro area.(charley hit relatively sparsely populated Charlotte County)

The day of reckoning is coming, though.

One of these days we'll see a Cat 4/5 come into Tampa head on and then cross the state and decimate Central Florida's vulnerable inland communities and wipe Polk, Orange, Osceola, Seminole and Volusia off the map in one fell swoop.

One of these days we'll get the Big one, a direct hit from a Cat 5 with a large wind field into Miami/Ft. Lauderdale/Palm Beach that will leave 1 million + homeless and cause greater than $100 billion in damages.

This year was bad, but the future is scarier. Because these type of worst case scenarios described above will happen, whether next year, in 5 years, 15 years, 30 years.

It's only a matter of time.


Well, pal, I'm not sure what the intent of your post really was. Of course, another storm could rumble through Florida and decimate the entire state. A nuclear blast, an undersea volcano or another tragedy you didn't mention could wipe us out too. We're not thinking about those things right now. We're trying to focus on the positive.

Let me tell you the way the folks who have lived through the past few months down here in Florida view our the situation. For most of us, it could have have been worse, but barely. Whether your house was destroyed, you're living with a tarp on your roof, or your property and yard was trashed, nothing is the same. And that's the part that really hurts. NOTHING IS THE SAME. And it won't be, for a long time. Financially, emotionally, physically. Nothing is the same after the storms.

Maybe before you post again, you ought to get some sensitivity training? Or maybe you really like upsetting people, kicking them when they are down? Whatever it is, logybogy, I hope you think before you upset people who come to this board for a few moments of relief.

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#32 Postby Guest » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:40 pm

Why did this post ruffle so many feathers.Its true.

If these same hurricanes that hit this season would have hit Tampa or Miami you would have seen triple the damage, heartache & misery.

If Charley would have hit Tampa instead of Punta Gorda it would have been that much more horrifying..If Frances & Jeanne would have hit Miami-Ft.Lauderdale instead of Stuart-Ft.Pierce it also would have been that much worse..Not to down play what has happened but thats the reality of it.

& God forbid that 1 day a CAT 4/5 hits Tampa or Miami it would be terrible beyond imagination for those cities.We're talking biblical end of the world scenario when that happens for those cities involved.

Barbara this board can be for relief if you so see it that way but its also for information & to read other people's opinions..It is a public message board..& we are adults..This world we live in is not Disney's Fantasy Land.

That goes for of all of you weak hearted folks out there.

The truth hurts sometimes but I dont see anything in that post by logybogy besides reality..& certainly nothing mean spirited.
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#33 Postby jpigott » Tue Sep 28, 2004 12:49 pm

look, i don't pretend to know the original posters intent, however in some respects he is right (and not exactly novel, i.e. Dr. Gray) One of these days a cat5 IS going to make landfall in a major metro area (N.O., Tampa, Mia, Ft. Lauderdale, WPB) and it will make every other recorded hurricane pale in comparison. Bottom line - be prepared, no doom and gloom, just an unfortunate reality. And for all those that think i'm being insensitive let me give you a rundown of what I have personally gone through the past few weeks with Frances and Jeanne. Frances - tore a 5 x 5 hole in my fathers law office located in Lake Park Florida on US-1, which caused extensive water damage, electricity was later restored but there was water in one of his flouresent light bulbs which caused a fire in the ceiling grid, fortunately the still wet insulation put the fire out before it caused any substantial damage. Jeanne - further damage to my fathers office when debris crashed through the one unboarded window at the office. My in-laws, who live 4-5 miles inland in Palm Beach Gardens, lost a $20,000 screen enclosure. And yesterday, i had to move my brother out of his apartment in Jupiter (Mallards Cove)which had about half of its units condemned after Frances and the rest ruined after Jeanne due to severe water damage and major roof damage. I have now experienced the southern eyewall of a cat2 and cat3, and don't even want to think about being in the northern eyewall of a cat3+
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#34 Postby BocaGirl » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:05 pm

redorangeglow wrote:Why did this post ruffle so many feathers.Its true.

Barbara this board can be for relief if you so see it that way but its also for information & to read other people's opinions..It is a public message board..& we are adults..This world we live in is not Disney's Fantasy Land.

That goes for of all of you weak hearted folks out there.

The truth hurts sometimes but I dont see anything in that post by logybogy besides reality..& certainly nothing mean spirited.


redorangeglow, sorry if I gave you the wrong impression. I am well aware that Storm2K is a message board and we are all adults. Or at least most of the posters are. And like most of the posters here, I use the board for information, not comic relief.

As for disaster preparedness, well, I am probably one of the most prepared people you'll ever meet. Weak hearted.....I don't think so. I'm not a typical Boca babe, and I don't live in fantasyland. Hardly.

Different strokes for different folks. You say you saw nothing mean spirited in the original post. That's good for you, then. I'm done with this debate.

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#35 Postby Stephanie » Tue Sep 28, 2004 1:11 pm

I think it's time to lock this thread. :wink:
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