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NHC=Interesting statement about what to expect in oct-nov

#1 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:41 pm

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"Right now there's a break, there's no threatening systems out there," said Jorge Aguirre, a meteorologist at the National Hurricane Center in Miami. "But this may only be a brief break. It's not over until it's over."

And it's not over until Nov. 30, a long two months for Floridians who have had to deal with the stress of preparing for the onslaught of storm after storm. Millions have been told to evacuate week after week, and many have suffered damage to homes and property. Residents in Martin County have seen two major hurricanes hit in nearly the same spot, something forecasters say is perhaps unprecedented. State officials blame 91 deaths on Hurricanes Charley, Frances, Ivan and Jeanne.

Aguirre said the season usually peaks between mid-August and September. He said another peak usually comes in October, and that the only difference is that by then, storms usually form in the Caribbean and off the coast of Mexico, instead of off the coast of Africa.

That's because wind shears in October and November tend to make the Atlantic inhospitable for hurricanes, said Chris Landsea, a research meteorologist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Miami.

Landsea noted that the warmer waters of the Caribbean and gulf can create strong storms, such as Category 3 Hurricane Opal in October 1995, which caused at least 50 deaths in Guatemala and Mexico and 20 deaths in the United States, and Category 5 Hurricane Mitch in late October 1998, which killed least 9,000 people in Central America.

The shorter distance those storms need to travel before hitting land can leave little time for people to prepare, unlike Atlantic storms, which usually allow days for preparations.

Landsea said that history does show that hurricanes tend to come in clusters, which means the next couple of weeks could be quiet.

But, he said, when the first two-thirds of a season is active, like this year, October and November tends to be busy as well.

Hurricane center Director Max Mayfield said that they expect another two to three named storms -- that won't necessarily become hurricanes -- in October.

"Nobody's going to know where they're going to hit," he said. "If they can, let me get them a job."

The good news is that once early November comes, "the large threat from a major hurricane goes way down," Landsea said.

More good news is that El Nino-like conditions are taking place in the eastern and central Pacific, said Phil Klotzbach, research associate of Colorado State University's noted hurricane forecaster William Gray. El Nino refers to the warming of the Pacific waters and leads to hurricane-unfriendly wind shears over the Atlantic and Caribbean, he said. In the past week, shears have increased over the eastern Atlantic, he said.

"In general, when El Nino takes place, the season tends to end a little earlier," he said.

But some forecasters are already watching an area of cloudiness in the southwest Caribbean, where water temperatures have been above normal.

"Even though the odds of getting these hurricanes or storms hitting the states diminish, you can't leave your guard down," said Tom Kines, senior meteorologist at AccuWeather Inc., a commercial weather forecasting center. "You have to pay attention to the tropics for the next few months."


They say that after a quiet next 2 weeks activity will pick up.I found this statement from them interesting.
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#2 Postby MWatkins » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:51 pm

Great artile Luis.

Hey Dr Landsea was quoted! As a side note...just got a return email from him today...he's going to be back on Talkin Tropics in two weeks (10/12) to discuss all of the research missions they have flown this season and to go over his hurricane reanalysis project!

If this seems like adverting well it is a little...but he is such a great guest I suppose it's worth it.

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#3 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:55 pm

MWatkins wrote:Great artile Luis.

Hey Dr Landsea was quoted! As a side note...just got a return email from him today...he's going to be back on Talkin Tropics in two weeks (10/12) to discuss all of the research missions they have flown this season and to go over his hurricane reanalysis project!

If this seems like adverting well it is a little...but he is such a great guest I suppose it's worth it.

MW


You got that right ... I will be so happy when the HURDAT reanalysis project is completed ...

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#4 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:59 pm

Mike I can't wait for Chris Landsea to be in the show because I want to hear from him about all those missions that went to the air this season.

On another note I suspect a big debate will take place at the NHC office when the time comes to do the post season reports for all the systems.Especially the debates in my estimation will be more about if Gaston was a hurricane at one point and if the low pressure that moved into the GOM should be renamed Ivan.
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Re: NHC=Interesting statement about what to expect in oct-no

#5 Postby donsutherland1 » Tue Sep 28, 2004 6:59 pm

Great article, Luis.

I strongly agree with Max Mayfield's idea of 2-3 additional named storms (I estimated 2-4 additional ones). Also, Floridians should not be complacent. The Caribbean season can pose real threats.
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#6 Postby MBismyPlayground » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:04 pm

OK, "bear" with me here but.....We all know I don't know diddly about how to read most of these maps and stuff, I just try. Anyways, explain to me, if there is always a TUTT(an ever changing one) how do the storms ever make it to the US?? And all those little models, can't they sorta give you a heads up on all this "firing up" going on down there??? Granted, they all fluctuate to some extent but......
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#7 Postby Doc Seminole » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:04 pm

[quote="cycloneye
They say that after a quiet next 2 weeks activity will pick up.I found this statement from them interesting.[/quote]

I reckon so since Florida has been getting hit every 3 weeks! :(


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#8 Postby Aslkahuna » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:07 pm

Considering the fact that in 1985 Hurricane Kate hit the FL Panhandle in late November (latest US landfall on record), yes I would say that the threat is still there. There have been some real October hummers in FL.

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#9 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:07 pm

donsutherland1 wrote:Great article, Luis.

I strongly agree with Max Mayfield's idea of 2-3 additional named storms (I estimated 2-4 additional ones). Also, Floridians should not be complacent. The Caribbean season can pose real threats.


The TCHP in the W Caribbean has more than rebounded ... I will mention a side note, it's very interesting to note that SO FAR this season, we have not seen anything develop in the W Caribbean or the GOM this year, although Charley, Earl (before killing itself), and Ivan roll across and take FULL advatange of the very high TCHP ... some years that haven't featured a development in the GOM or W CAR early, sometimes won't see one the entire season (this does NOT include established storms traversing those waters) ...

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#10 Postby cycloneye » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:27 pm

Humm SF there are little warm eddys just SE of Puerto Rico and in the lesser antilles something to watch from here.
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#11 Postby Stephanie » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:32 pm

Landsea said that history does show that hurricanes tend to come in clusters, which means the next couple of weeks could be quiet.



I'd say this year it was more like a mass!!! :eek:
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#12 Postby tronbunny » Tue Sep 28, 2004 7:40 pm

Thank you for that Luis...
Food for thought, indeed.
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#13 Postby SouthernWx » Tue Sep 28, 2004 8:21 pm

October Florida major landfalling hurricanes...


1. Oct 11-13, 1846....cat-4/5...155-160 mph/ 916 mb - landfalls at Key West and Cedar Key

(possibly cat-5 because of 15' storm surge that totally innundated lower Keys and 27.05"/ 916 mb report from Key West...caused severe damage throughout much of Florida and along the North Carolina coast, apparently still as a major hurricane, where inlets were cut in barrier islands)



2. Oct 17-18, 1848...cat-3...120 mph/ 955 mb - Tampa Bay

(occurred only three weeks after an even stronger cat-3 direct hit in Tampa/ St Pete area, but only one major cane in 156 yrs since)



3. Oct 07, 1873...cat-3...115 mph/ 959 mb - Fort Myers/ Naples

(severe damage resulting from storm surge that reached 14' near Punta Rassa)



4. Oct 03-04, 1898...cat-4...135 mph/ 938 mb - Amelia Island/ Fernandina Bch

(landfall occurred near Georgia/ Florida border. Similar strength as Hugo at landfall....19' storm surge innundated Brunswick, GA...major damage in Nassau county, FL)



5. Oct 17-18, 1906...cat-3...120 mph/ 953 mb - Marathon to Miami

(eye passed NE over the Keys...then inland directly over Miami...over 160 deaths)



6. Oct 11, 1909...cat-3...120 mph/ 957 mb - Key West to Key Largo

(major damage throughout the Keys)



7. Oct 17-18, 1910....cat-3...110-115 mph/ 955 mb - Key West and Fort Myers/ Naples

(destroyed Key West and Sand Key lighthouses with loss of keepers and families)



8. Oct 25, 1921....cat-3...115 mph/ 952 mb - Tampa Bay

(10-12' surge and major damage in Pinellas county; eye crossed coast at Tarpon Springs...exited Florida at New Smyrna Bch; last major hurricane to make direct hit on Tampa/ St Pete)



9. Oct 18-19, 1944...cat-3...115 mph/ 962 mb - Venice to Jacksonville

(major damage from Sarasota to Naples...very large hurricane. 11-13' storm surge both along Florida SW coast and at Jacksonville Beach)



10. Oct 17-18, 1950...cat-3...125 mph/ 955 mb - Miami/ Fort Lauderdale

(small, compact major hurricane crossed directly over downtown Miami where 122 mph sustained winds with 150 mph gusts were recorded; a measured 138 mph gust in Fort Lauderdale...last major hurricane to make direct hit on north Dade and Broward counties)


Even though the last major landfalling October hurricane on the Florida peninsula occurred 54 years ago....the 1845-1950 return period was once per 10.6 yrs. Why I'm very concerned....especially in a bizarre season in which three strong hurricanes have already impacted the peninsula.
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#15 Postby SouthernWx » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:25 pm

Kate in November 1985 was a very close call for the Florida Keys. Just before impacting Cuba, Kate was up to 110 mph...and it was almost a certainty if the core had been only 60-70 miles farther north and passed just south of the lower Keys through the Florida Straits....Kate would have become a major hurricane before reaching the Key West. Even while passing inland over Cuba about 100 miles away, Key West recorded gusts of 69 mph.
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#16 Postby donsutherland1 » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:42 pm

Good point, SF and great historical information, Perry.
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#17 Postby Stormsfury » Tue Sep 28, 2004 9:54 pm

Long time, no see, man ...

What strikes me is that 1925 storm ... the last of all 2 storms in the 1925 season (HURDAT will probably find more, just like in 1890)

Also have to mention that 1935 storm, known as the "Yankee Hurricane" ... so nicknamed b/c the storm hit Miami from the NE ...

I remember Kate's effects after landfall in my location (actually, I was in North Charleston at the time, and a very heavy squall with frequent lightning hit during the early afternoon, and caused quite a scare amongst many students in school ... 3"-4" rainfalls occurred in just a span of a couple of hours ... a lot of flooding ....

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#18 Postby BUD » Tue Sep 28, 2004 10:30 pm

If we are to see more storms this season does anyone have a guess to how many more the US will see and is LISA going to be a fish????
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#19 Postby Hou~TX~Mama » Tue Sep 28, 2004 11:49 pm

cycloneye wrote:Humm SF there are little warm eddys just SE of Puerto Rico and in the lesser antilles something to watch from here.


What are "eddys"?
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#20 Postby cycloneye » Wed Sep 29, 2004 6:41 am

Hou~TX~Mama wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Humm SF there are little warm eddys just SE of Puerto Rico and in the lesser antilles something to watch from here.


What are "eddys"?


Eddys are pockets of very warm waters and are shown in the red and orange in grafics.
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