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Official-JaxFL safe from canes this season...SFLA/NC lookout

#1 Postby Anonymous » Sat May 28, 2005 3:28 pm

I found this official story in the front page of todays paper. N Fla/GA has only a 1-2%chance of a cane so chances are slim.

Link to story... http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/s ... 8731.shtml

Hurricane risk low on First Coast

South Florida and North Carolina have worst odds this season, researchers say

By RACHEL DAVIS, The Times-Union

Residents of South Florida and parts of North Carolina are more likely to experience hurricane-force winds this yearAlthough these areas are no stranger to the oceanic monsters, this year their vulnerability is supported by statistical data released Friday by a University of Central Florida professor and a Georgia researcher.

Miami Beach, Naples and Cape Hatteras, N.C., are statistically more likely to experience hurricane-force winds this season -- which begins Wednesday -- than any other of the 35 cities studied along the Atlantic and Gulf coasts, according to the study. The South Florida cities and the North Carolina cape have about a 10 percent chance of hosting a hurricane.

Jacksonville and St. Augustine have only a 1 to 2 percent chance. Savannah has a 3.44 percent chance.

The analysis is based on hurricane tracks during the past 154 years and ocean climate conditions for 2005. The study's authors claim the data are more useful for the average coastal resident than the preseason storm counts coming out of weather-watching organizations.

Last year people "didn't really care how many storms there were," said Mark Johnson, a UCF statistics professor. "It was 'What's the wind speed ... at my house?'"

The research was conducted by Johnson and Chuck Watson, founder of the Kinetic Analysis Corp., a Savannah, Ga., engineering firm.

They began their hurricane research in 1996 but are releasing their findings to the public this year for the first time. The pair also works as consultants to the Florida Commission on Hurricane Loss Projection Methodology, which verifies hurricane models for government agencies and the insurance industry.

Johnson said they will update on specific storms throughout the season on their Web site.

This year's hurricane likelihoods, according to the study, aren't that far from historical trends. For example, New Orleans is more likely to have a hurricane than Jacksonville, and Miami is more likely to get hit than New Orleans.

Although South Florida is always at higher risk than North Florida, this year the odds for South Florida are above average, with Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Naples at about a 1-in-10 chance. The odds of hurricane-force winds hitting cities in Georgia, North Florida and along the Gulf Coast are lower than normal.

Just because the odds are low for a certain area doesn't mean it won't be hit. For example, Pensacola has on average only a 5 percent chance of seeing hurricane-force winds. But the Northwest Florida city was ravaged last year by Hurricane Ivan.

Frank Lepore, spokesman for the National Hurricane Center, said Floridians should prepare for a hurricane whether they live in the south or the north.

"I'm sure the residents of Central Florida weren't expecting Frances and Jeanne and what was left of Charley, but they were certainly impacted," Lepore said.

Although the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is predicting an active hurricane season, it cannot say where the storms will make landfall. The agency expects at least seven storms, with at least three becoming major hurricanes. Most are expected to form between August and October over the tropical Atlantic Ocean and the Caribbean Sea.
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#2 Postby Brent » Sat May 28, 2005 3:30 pm

No one is ever "safe". True... Northeast Florida and the Georgia coast are about the safest coastline in the U.S., your never 100% safe.
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#3 Postby yoda » Sat May 28, 2005 3:30 pm

Hmmm... not real sure what to make of this study... but all should be prepared anyway.
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#4 Postby Brent » Sat May 28, 2005 3:34 pm

yoda wrote:Hmmm... not real sure what to make of this study... but all should be prepared anyway.


It sounds like it just looks at tracks since 1840-something and then just assumes certain places are safe. *yawn*

Anyone could tell you that the chances are low up there. Now people who see this are going to be "well, let's not get any supplies this year". Hope it doesn't bite them...
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#5 Postby feederband » Sat May 28, 2005 3:35 pm

1% TO 2% I wonder what the odds were on what happen in Florida last year was it even at 1% that we would be beat up by 4 storms. % :roll:
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#6 Postby cycloneye » Sat May 28, 2005 3:40 pm

Nobody is safe around the US coastline from Brownsville to Maine.Even the less dangerous place in the US the NE Florida coast is vulnerable so those who live in that area have to prepare hoping for the best.
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#7 Postby SouthernWx » Sat May 28, 2005 4:47 pm

For anyone to have the gall to state publicly in late May that anyone is "safe" from a hurricane this season is beyond outrageous...

Is greater Jacksonville less likely to experience a direct hit from a hurricane than Miami? Sure, but there have been landfalling hurricanes along that coast; major hurricanes in fact.

In early October of 1898, a large and ferocious hurricane slammed into the coast near the Georgia-Florida border....the eyewall making a direct hit on Fernandina Beach, as well as Brunswick/ St Simon's Island, Georgia. Even though the hurricane occurred in October, estimates are it was a monster....sustained winds of at least 135 mph (938 mb) which produced a devastating storm surge of 15-19' feet along the Georgia coast.

Other violent hurricanes struck the Georgia and northeast Florida coasts in 1896 and 1893....the 1893 cat-3 killing thousands. While not a major hurricane, large 105-110 mph cat-2 Dora in 1964 caused quite a bit of damage along the northeast Florida coast...wind gusts peaking over 125 mph at St Augustine; sustained winds of 84 mph with 100 mph gusts at the Jacksonville WSFO.

While the odds of a major hurricane impacting Jacksonville are small in every season, it cannot ever be ruled out. For anyone to tell coastal residents in Jacksonville, Savannah, or any other coastal area not to worry (i.e...not to prepare) is IMO extremely irresponsible. I know the Georgia Emergency Management Agency (GEMA) has a very difficult time trying to convince residents of coastal Georgia to evacuate; the type of B.S. in this press release will only make that mission more difficult....and cause many people to stay who'd otherwise evacuate.

I'm personally very concerned about the Georgia Coast.....a growing population, shallow offshore shelf/ high storm surge potential, and the "it can't ever happen here" belief among many that will IMO someday cost many Georgia lives.
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#8 Postby Brent » Sat May 28, 2005 4:58 pm

Yeah... I'm concerned about the GA coast too. Very low-lying and swampy. A big surge would go well inland.
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#9 Postby Anonymous » Sat May 28, 2005 6:42 pm

I agree, that is a rather stupid and irresponsible story to put on the front page of the Florida Times 4 days before hurricane season starts. On the actual front page of the newspaper at the store around the corner, they show a large map with danger areas in red and of course-there is nothing over NE Fla/Ga. However, on the site, they show the front page as this http://www.jacksonville.com/homepage/frontpage.html .
All other news outlets are urging preparation all over Fla and all coastal areas. Yet, our paper puts out stories basically saying dont worry lol :roll:
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#10 Postby Anonymous » Sat May 28, 2005 7:04 pm

The map they showed was similar to the one below but not as detailed....
IMHO, Jacksonvilles risk is very low....perhaps as low risk as Maine. But that is Just as low as it was in 1964 when Hurricane Dora hit and 1898 when an unnamed hurricane hit.
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#11 Postby SouthernWx » Tue May 31, 2005 12:26 pm

SouthernWx wrote:"For anyone to have the gall to state publicly in late May that anyone is "safe" from a hurricane this season is beyond outrageous"...

"For anyone to tell coastal residents in Jacksonville, Savannah, or any other coastal area not to worry" (i.e...not to prepare) is IMO extremely irresponsible"

"the type of B.S. in this press release will only make that mission more difficult....and cause many people to stay who'd otherwise evacuate".


I need to clarify my statements in this post from several days ago...

When I stated these comments (above), it wasn't my intention to place the blame on Mark Johnson and Chuck Watson; it was to blame WHOEVER was responsible for MIS-INFORMING the public and creating a "false sense of security" in northeast Florida.

No one, not Mr Watson, Mr Johnson, nor anyone associated with the hurricane research study has ever stated that northeast Florida was "safe" from hurricanes
.....only that the annual risk was low (as compared to many areas of the U.S. coastline). They share my concerns regarding complacency and lack of adequate preparation among many coastal residents.

My humble apologies to Chuck Watson, Mark Johnson, and all members of the hurricane research project for any confusion my comments created.

Sincerely,
Perry aka SouthernWx
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#12 Postby sponger » Tue May 31, 2005 12:36 pm

Even when the probability is low, look at last year. We were 200 miles from both Francis and Jeanne and had 6 days of sustanied tropical storm force winds at 50-60 plus. We lost power for a combined 11 days. Not a hit by any statistical measurement, but we certainlty felt the impact!
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#13 Postby HurricaneQueen » Tue May 31, 2005 12:55 pm

Here we go again. It's never any fun to see your hometown with the higher statistics. Guess we'll just have to wait and see but it sounds as if it is going to be a long hurricane season. :eek:

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#14 Postby SouthernWx » Tue May 31, 2005 1:22 pm

FYI....

That article in the Jacksonville newspaper DOESN'T tell the entire story. Here's a direct quote I just found on the hurricane research website/ the official press release (that the reporter failed to add to her article) regarding residents of northeast Florida.

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"However, Johnson and Watson said residents still need to prepare to protect their homes and stock up on food, water and other supplies".
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#15 Postby OuterBanker » Tue May 31, 2005 2:50 pm

Never realized that Cape Hatteras is traditionally the highest risk of experiencing hurricane force winds. It experienced winds in excess of 100 mph in the last NorEaster. Maybe that will make us exempt for the rest of the year.
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#16 Postby jdray » Tue May 31, 2005 9:49 pm

This is the same paper/news organization that ignores any wind damages or such that can occur inland.

We had higher winds inland than Jax Beach had during Frances and Jeanne, yet they had news crews at the beaches.


Its a local fishwrap that basically sucks at everything it tries to do.
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