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#241 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:45 pm

Yesterday, the system was too far north to become something and I didn't put much attention on it, but TODAY is a WHOLE new story. The system has moved WSW today and convection has exploded over a surface circulation. This system is very much ready to be classified into our next tropical cyclone. As it continues to move toward the W-WSW, conditions will only improve. I expect a mention of this system in the Tropical Weather Outlook TODAY as it has a very good chance of becoming Harvey before 92L does.


Hyperstorm I also was surprised by this system.Even TPC in discussion this afternoon didn't mention it I mean NADA. :) 92L has plenty of work to do and our wave you know :) that is almost all at water is impressive.But we can say for sure that the CV season is opening it's gates.
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#242 Postby johngaltfla » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:48 pm

Hyperstorm wrote:Just checked the tropical Atlantic for the day, and let me tell you that I'm surprised at something.

I'm not surprised at 92L as I thought this one had a good potential, but I'm quite surprised at the wave right behind 92L, which is showing signs of immediate organization. And I mean, IMMEDIATE.

Yesterday, the system was too far north to become something and I didn't put much attention on it, but TODAY is a WHOLE new story. The system has moved WSW today and convection has exploded over a surface circulation. This system is very much ready to be classified into our next tropical cyclone. As it continues to move toward the W-WSW, conditions will only improve. I expect a mention of this system in the Tropical Weather Outlook TODAY as it has a very good chance of becoming Harvey before 92L does.

The one moving offshore Africa........well, should I say it? Another likely tropical cyclone in the making...

BTW, 92L hasn't become any better organized during the day and I expect slow development until it moves farther west.


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I give it 36 hours, 48 hours tops. The environment appears to be a lot more favorable as usual, closer to the islands.
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#243 Postby Hyperstorm » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:49 pm

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Yesterday, the system was too far north to become something and I didn't put much attention on it, but TODAY is a WHOLE new story. The system has moved WSW today and convection has exploded over a surface circulation. This system is very much ready to be classified into our next tropical cyclone. As it continues to move toward the W-WSW, conditions will only improve. I expect a mention of this system in the Tropical Weather Outlook TODAY as it has a very good chance of becoming Harvey before 92L does.


Hyperstorm I also was surprised by this system.Even TPC in discussion this afternoon didn't mention it I mean NADA. :) 92L has plenty of work to do and our wave you know :) that is almost all at water is impressive.But we can say for sure that the CV season is opening it's gates.


And that's what I like about the tropics, the suspense of not knowing what to expect. Even though one might be wrong sometimes, the surprises are surely enjoyable...
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#244 Postby johngaltfla » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:49 pm

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And no, I don't know what the UKMET is smoking in this plot.... :?: :?: :?:
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#245 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:04 pm

And that's what I like about the tropics, the suspense of not knowing what to expect. Even though one might be wrong sometimes, the surprises are surely enjoyable...


The tropics offers us many surprises and that is why we are hurricane enthusiastics.When do you think that new invests will be up for these 2 waves?
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#246 Postby Hurricaneman » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:05 pm

I think tomorrow
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#247 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:06 pm

That wave behind it looks like it is really trying to develop. It looks just like a developing cyclone. When will that one have a invest on it?
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#248 Postby Anonymous » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:09 pm

Yes indeed. I changed the hue on the image to show colors better, that wave is blowing up in an area where most die out.

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#249 Postby WeatherEmperor » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:09 pm

within the next 24 hours I bet.

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#250 Postby thefixed » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:11 pm

I say tomorrow for an invest on the eastern one...I think the western one is just enjoying it's 15 minutes of fame, but in the long run something may come of it.
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#251 Postby cycloneye » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:13 pm

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ABNT20 KNHC 262110
TWOAT
TROPICAL WEATHER OUTLOOK
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
530 PM EDT TUE JUL 26 2005

FOR THE NORTH ATLANTIC...CARIBBEAN SEA AND THE GULF OF MEXICO...

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER IS ISSUING ADVISORIES ON TROPICAL
STORM FRANKLIN...LOCATED ABOUT 200 MILES WEST OF BERMUDA.

THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY HAS INCREASED THIS AFTERNOON IN ASSOCIATION
WITH ANOTHER TROPICAL WAVE LOCATED A FEW HUNDRED MILES SOUTHWEST OF
THE CAPE VERDE ISLANDS. SLOW ORGANIZATION OF THIS SYSTEM IS ALSO
POSSIBLE OVER THE NEXT DAY OR TWO AS IT MOVES WESTWARD AT 10 TO 15
MPH.

ELSEWHERE...TROPICAL STORM FORMATION IS NOT EXPECTED THROUGH
WEDNESDAY.

FORECASTER BEVEN

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#252 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:20 pm

The one SW of Cape Verde looks like it's ready to develop. There should be an invest out for this one soon.
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#253 Postby WeatherEmperor » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:23 pm

Thunder44 wrote:The one SW of Cape Verde looks like it's ready to develop. There should be an invest out for this one soon.


what do you think about the one that just came off Africa?

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#254 Postby Derecho » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:26 pm

Hyperstorm wrote:Just checked the tropical Atlantic for the day, and let me tell you that I'm surprised at something.

I'm not surprised at 92L as I thought this one had a good potential, but I'm quite surprised at the wave right behind 92L, which is showing signs of immediate organization. And I mean, IMMEDIATE.


It's not at all clear that's even a wave; it MIGHT be but I doubt it. There's clearly a wave leaving Africa at the moment. If that thing in the middle of 92L and the wave leaving Africa is a wave, then the "wavelength" is WAY too short; it's usually 15 degrees or so of longitude between waves.

Blob of convection does not = wave. However, when all you're looking at is satellite every 6 hours it's understandable that every area of concentrated convection over water in the tropics is proclaimed a wave.

However, in reality, you can have utterly convectionless waves, wind surges that aren't waves at all with a lot of convection, etc, convection caused by upper level divergence of an ULL.

What is really meant by a wave is a perturbation at about the 850mb level in the atmosphere, which often, but not always, has convection associated with it. People need to undertand the true definition of an African Easterly Wave and that it's not merely a blob of convection.

That's why the soundings from Dakar, the CV Islands, QS, etc. are so important in identifying waves.

There were no pressure falls over Senegal when that area left Africa (in fact, they rose) for example; that the TWDs don't even mention it probably reflect the fact that the soundings over Africa didn't identify a wave there at all.

Yesterday, the system was too far north to become something and I didn't put much attention on it, but TODAY is a WHOLE new story. The system has moved WSW today and convection has exploded over a surface circulation.


I don't see a surface circ with it at all, and there was nothing resembling a sfc circ with it on this morning's QS pass.
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#255 Postby gkrangers » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:28 pm

If wave #2 shows some consistency with its convection, I sense 93L within 12 hours.
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#256 Postby gkrangers » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:30 pm

Derecho...the 5:30 TWO mentions the blob SW of the CV as a wave.
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#257 Postby Thunder44 » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:32 pm

WeatherEmperor wrote:
Thunder44 wrote:The one SW of Cape Verde looks like it's ready to develop. There should be an invest out for this one soon.


what do you think about the one that just came off Africa?

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Looks impressive as well, but we'll have see how it holds it together as it moves further west.
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#258 Postby Hyperstorm » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:39 pm

Derecho wrote:
Hyperstorm wrote:Just checked the tropical Atlantic for the day, and let me tell you that I'm surprised at something.

I'm not surprised at 92L as I thought this one had a good potential, but I'm quite surprised at the wave right behind 92L, which is showing signs of immediate organization. And I mean, IMMEDIATE.


It's not at all clear that's even a wave; it MIGHT be but I doubt it. There's clearly a wave leaving Africa at the moment. If that thing in the middle of 92L and the wave leaving Africa is a wave, then the "wavelength" is WAY too short; it's usually 15 degrees or so of longitude between waves.

Blob of convection does not = wave. However, when all you're looking at is satellite every 6 hours it's understandable that every area of concentrated convection over water in the tropics is proclaimed a wave.

However, in reality, you can have utterly convectionless waves, wind surges that aren't waves at all with a lot of convection, etc, convection caused by upper level divergence of an ULL.

What is really meant by a wave is a perturbation at about the 850mb level in the atmosphere, which often, but not always, has convection associated with it. People need to undertand the true definition of an African Easterly Wave and that it's not merely a blob of convection.

That's why the soundings from Dakar, the CV Islands, QS, etc. are so important in identifying waves.

There were no pressure falls over Senegal when that area left Africa (in fact, they rose) for example; that the TWDs don't even mention it probably reflect the fact that the soundings over Africa didn't identify a wave there at all.

Yesterday, the system was too far north to become something and I didn't put much attention on it, but TODAY is a WHOLE new story. The system has moved WSW today and convection has exploded over a surface circulation.


I don't see a surface circ with it at all, and there was nothing resembling a sfc circ with it on this morning's QS pass.


Derecho, you're giving me classes on how to identify waves when I've spent the better part of my life watching/learning about these systems? OK...

I'm one to point out when a wave is NOT a wave and when it is a surge in the trade winds as well as a strong squall line moving offshore. The system is clearly a wave by definition and it is NOT associated with the ITCZ. I guess that if it's not a wave, the NHC is mistaken as well. You decide...

Oh....and before I forget. You can get satellite images every 15 minutes in the Eastern Atlantic with a link that was posted earlier in this thread. You can look for it. Just wanted to put you up to date...
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#259 Postby wxmann_91 » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:43 pm

cycloneye wrote:
And that's what I like about the tropics, the suspense of not knowing what to expect. Even though one might be wrong sometimes, the surprises are surely enjoyable...


The tropics offers us many surprises and that is why we are hurricane enthusiastics.When do you think that new invests will be up for these 2 waves?


By tomorrow.

Derecho wrote:
Hyperstorm wrote:Just checked the tropical Atlantic for the day, and let me tell you that I'm surprised at something.

I'm not surprised at 92L as I thought this one had a good potential, but I'm quite surprised at the wave right behind 92L, which is showing signs of immediate organization. And I mean, IMMEDIATE.


It's not at all clear that's even a wave; it MIGHT be but I doubt it. There's clearly a wave leaving Africa at the moment. If that thing in the middle of 92L and the wave leaving Africa is a wave, then the "wavelength" is WAY too short; it's usually 15 degrees or so of longitude between waves.

Blob of convection does not = wave. However, when all you're looking at is satellite every 6 hours it's understandable that every area of concentrated convection over water in the tropics is proclaimed a wave.

However, in reality, you can have utterly convectionless waves, wind surges that aren't waves at all with a lot of convection, etc, convection caused by upper level divergence of an ULL.

What is really meant by a wave is a perturbation at about the 850mb level in the atmosphere, which often, but not always, has convection associated with it. People need to undertand the true definition of an African Easterly Wave and that it's not merely a blob of convection.

That's why the soundings from Dakar, the CV Islands, QS, etc. are so important in identifying waves.

There were no pressure falls over Senegal when that area left Africa (in fact, they rose) for example; that the TWDs don't even mention it probably reflect the fact that the soundings over Africa didn't identify a wave there at all.

Yesterday, the system was too far north to become something and I didn't put much attention on it, but TODAY is a WHOLE new story. The system has moved WSW today and convection has exploded over a surface circulation.


I don't see a surface circ with it at all, and there was nothing resembling a sfc circ with it on this morning's QS pass.


The blob SW of the CV Islands is a wave. Remember, this year is NOT NORMAL. Don't forget about last year's Lisa. If you look at sat loops, you will see that it's the exact same wave we were discussion a few days ago that had deep convection over Africa but poofed just as it neared the CV Islands. Now it has moved WSW into warmer waters and convection has popped up. If this trend continues this could be our first CV storm.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/eatl-ir4-loop.html
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#260 Postby jasons2k » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:48 pm

C'ome on people. Let's chill just a little bit please. Geez some people seem to really get their feelings hurt in a hurry if someone tries to school them.

Let's all smile and have a happy day! 3 days from now it won't matter what it is right now.

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